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This is from the ultima site. Say's they don't want VOES connected to Ultima Engines. Please explain this to me, getting confused. "This is for the Ultima adj ignition"
Connect the ignition pink wire to the rear cylinder coil (-) terminal. The blue wire connects to the front cylinder coil (-) terminal.
4. Tach connection - attach the pink wire from the tach to the ignition green wire with the large (.250) blade connectors. If there is no tach,
fold the wire back into the harness sleeve.
If the bike had only one pink (or pink/black) wire at the coil, connect this to the ignition’s green wire.
Do not connect the ignitions tach wire to the coil or damage to the ignition may result.
5. Remove the wire from the VOES (Vacuum Operated Electric Switch). Connect the ignition purple wire with the small (.187) receptacle
terminal. If the VOES is not installed, see the tuning tips on the last page. On all Ultima Engines, we do not recommend using the VOES switch.
If there is no tach, the green wire can be folded back and tucked into the harness sleeve. The unused stock wire harness can be removed to
taped up.
• CONFIGURING THE MODE SWITCHES
This ignition has 6 mode switches which allow you to configure the ignition for your engine build and riding style. The switch position label is
located on the ignition for future reference.
Switch 1 V.O.E.S. Description
OFF Normal (NO VOES) - Follows preset curve shown in chart for specific engine configurations when VOES wire is not
used - (low vacuum curves) DO NOT ground VOES wire for these curves. Use this setting for Ultima engines.
(USING VOES) - Allows timing to reach full advance by 1500 rpm under light engine load conditions,
improving throttle response and gas mileage when the VOES is present. Wide open throttle follows selected
pre-set curve. (high vacuum curves)
ON Retard Uses the V.O.E.S. wire to retard timing for nitrous or turbo equipped bikes. See below for further explanation.
Switch 2 Switch 3 Advance Curve Description
OFF OFF Curve 1 - This curve brings up the advance the earliest and to the highest final value
(most aggressive). Used on 80 and 96Ci engines.
ON OFF Curve 2 - This curve brings up the advance a little slower than curve 1. Used on 100 and 107CI
configurations.
OFF ON Curve 3 - This curve is good for hi compression engines and Ultima 113, 120 and 127Ci, advance
comes in slower than curve 2 and to a lower final value.
ON ON Curve 4 - This curve should only be used if your 120 or 127 Ci still detonates using curve 3 and
on all 130 and 140 Ci engines. Advance is brought in still slower and to a lesser final
value than curve 3 (least aggressive).
The proper advance curve will be determined by the level of engine modification, weight of bike and rider, gasoline octane rating, air
temperature, altitude, etc. If you experience any “pinging”, use a less aggressive curve. Generally, you should run the curve that is most
aggressive without causing pinging.
Connect the ignition pink wire to the rear cylinder coil (-) terminal. The blue wire connects to the front cylinder coil (-) terminal.
4. Tach connection - attach the pink wire from the tach to the ignition green wire with the large (.250) blade connectors. If there is no tach,
fold the wire back into the harness sleeve.
If the bike had only one pink (or pink/black) wire at the coil, connect this to the ignition’s green wire.
Do not connect the ignitions tach wire to the coil or damage to the ignition may result.
5. Remove the wire from the VOES (Vacuum Operated Electric Switch). Connect the ignition purple wire with the small (.187) receptacle
terminal. If the VOES is not installed, see the tuning tips on the last page. On all Ultima Engines, we do not recommend using the VOES switch.
If there is no tach, the green wire can be folded back and tucked into the harness sleeve. The unused stock wire harness can be removed to
taped up.
• CONFIGURING THE MODE SWITCHES
This ignition has 6 mode switches which allow you to configure the ignition for your engine build and riding style. The switch position label is
located on the ignition for future reference.
Switch 1 V.O.E.S. Description
OFF Normal (NO VOES) - Follows preset curve shown in chart for specific engine configurations when VOES wire is not
used - (low vacuum curves) DO NOT ground VOES wire for these curves. Use this setting for Ultima engines.
(USING VOES) - Allows timing to reach full advance by 1500 rpm under light engine load conditions,
improving throttle response and gas mileage when the VOES is present. Wide open throttle follows selected
pre-set curve. (high vacuum curves)
ON Retard Uses the V.O.E.S. wire to retard timing for nitrous or turbo equipped bikes. See below for further explanation.
Switch 2 Switch 3 Advance Curve Description
OFF OFF Curve 1 - This curve brings up the advance the earliest and to the highest final value
(most aggressive). Used on 80 and 96Ci engines.
ON OFF Curve 2 - This curve brings up the advance a little slower than curve 1. Used on 100 and 107CI
configurations.
OFF ON Curve 3 - This curve is good for hi compression engines and Ultima 113, 120 and 127Ci, advance
comes in slower than curve 2 and to a lower final value.
ON ON Curve 4 - This curve should only be used if your 120 or 127 Ci still detonates using curve 3 and
on all 130 and 140 Ci engines. Advance is brought in still slower and to a lesser final
value than curve 3 (least aggressive).
The proper advance curve will be determined by the level of engine modification, weight of bike and rider, gasoline octane rating, air
temperature, altitude, etc. If you experience any “pinging”, use a less aggressive curve. Generally, you should run the curve that is most
aggressive without causing pinging.
Last edited by aces&8s; Mar 13, 2014 at 11:35 PM.
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Maybe with my hi compression I need the voes. Also says Voes is done at 1500rpm
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All most leads me to think the adj ignition would eliminate the Voes ??? Ignition 53-644--== http://www.ultimaproducts.com/PDFinstruct.html
Maybe with my hi compression I need the voes. Also says Voes is done at 1500rpm
Maybe with my hi compression I need the voes. Also says Voes is done at 1500rpm
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From: Senoia, Ga., by way of Miami, Fl..
As much as I love em, everything about the EVO is very primitive.... An "all or nothing" timing adjustment device not going to be very accurate, I don't care how you adjust it.. A better solution would be to use a real MAP sensor and variably adjusting the timing, based on load.. Does anyone actually incorporate one into the ignition system??
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On my '06 sporty, it's carbed but has a crank sensor and map sensor, I use a DTT TC88 module on it that does just that.
This is a example of a map for it, you can set timing at any map/rpm.
The all or nothing timing(Dyna S) is more suitable for drag racing than street use.
This is a example of a map for it, you can set timing at any map/rpm.
The all or nothing timing(Dyna S) is more suitable for drag racing than street use.
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HGM, Schex, that's why I am going to adj ignition. The Ultima/Dyna 2000i can be plugged into a mapped down load program if needed.
I talked to Dynatek technician, he said to use the VOES 6 lb because of my 10.1 compression, stock is 4 lb voes. He said it would run better with crisper throttle response and better gas milage.
I talked to Dynatek technician, he said to use the VOES 6 lb because of my 10.1 compression, stock is 4 lb voes. He said it would run better with crisper throttle response and better gas milage.
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we have found that todays fuel is so bad you need to retard the static timing - instead of using the TDC line in the center we are moving it to the front of the hole to stop the hot rods from pinging AND yest it takes power out BUT it will make the motor run cooler and it will last 36 / 38 degrees is too much timing today with the fuel we have to use - i have set some as low as 28 degrees to fix the issue but they are big power units
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This is from the ultima site. Say's they don't want VOES connected to Ultima Engines. Please explain this to me, getting confused. "This is for the Ultima adj ignition"
Connect the ignition pink wire to the rear cylinder coil (-) terminal. The blue wire connects to the front cylinder coil (-) terminal.
4. Tach connection - attach the pink wire from the tach to the ignition green wire with the large (.250) blade connectors. If there is no tach,
fold the wire back into the harness sleeve.
If the bike had only one pink (or pink/black) wire at the coil, connect this to the ignition’s green wire.
Do not connect the ignitions tach wire to the coil or damage to the ignition may result.
5. Remove the wire from the VOES (Vacuum Operated Electric Switch). Connect the ignition purple wire with the small (.187) receptacle
terminal. If the VOES is not installed, see the tuning tips on the last page. On all Ultima Engines, we do not recommend using the VOES switch.
If there is no tach, the green wire can be folded back and tucked into the harness sleeve. The unused stock wire harness can be removed to
taped up.
• CONFIGURING THE MODE SWITCHES
This ignition has 6 mode switches which allow you to configure the ignition for your engine build and riding style. The switch position label is
located on the ignition for future reference.
Switch 1 V.O.E.S. Description
OFF Normal (NO VOES) - Follows preset curve shown in chart for specific engine configurations when VOES wire is not
used - (low vacuum curves) DO NOT ground VOES wire for these curves. Use this setting for Ultima engines.
(USING VOES) - Allows timing to reach full advance by 1500 rpm under light engine load conditions,
improving throttle response and gas mileage when the VOES is present. Wide open throttle follows selected
pre-set curve. (high vacuum curves)
ON Retard Uses the V.O.E.S. wire to retard timing for nitrous or turbo equipped bikes. See below for further explanation.
Switch 2 Switch 3 Advance Curve Description
OFF OFF Curve 1 - This curve brings up the advance the earliest and to the highest final value
(most aggressive). Used on 80 and 96Ci engines.
ON OFF Curve 2 - This curve brings up the advance a little slower than curve 1. Used on 100 and 107CI
configurations.
OFF ON Curve 3 - This curve is good for hi compression engines and Ultima 113, 120 and 127Ci, advance
comes in slower than curve 2 and to a lower final value.
ON ON Curve 4 - This curve should only be used if your 120 or 127 Ci still detonates using curve 3 and
on all 130 and 140 Ci engines. Advance is brought in still slower and to a lesser final
value than curve 3 (least aggressive).
The proper advance curve will be determined by the level of engine modification, weight of bike and rider, gasoline octane rating, air
temperature, altitude, etc. If you experience any “pinging”, use a less aggressive curve. Generally, you should run the curve that is most
aggressive without causing pinging.
Connect the ignition pink wire to the rear cylinder coil (-) terminal. The blue wire connects to the front cylinder coil (-) terminal.
4. Tach connection - attach the pink wire from the tach to the ignition green wire with the large (.250) blade connectors. If there is no tach,
fold the wire back into the harness sleeve.
If the bike had only one pink (or pink/black) wire at the coil, connect this to the ignition’s green wire.
Do not connect the ignitions tach wire to the coil or damage to the ignition may result.
5. Remove the wire from the VOES (Vacuum Operated Electric Switch). Connect the ignition purple wire with the small (.187) receptacle
terminal. If the VOES is not installed, see the tuning tips on the last page. On all Ultima Engines, we do not recommend using the VOES switch.
If there is no tach, the green wire can be folded back and tucked into the harness sleeve. The unused stock wire harness can be removed to
taped up.
• CONFIGURING THE MODE SWITCHES
This ignition has 6 mode switches which allow you to configure the ignition for your engine build and riding style. The switch position label is
located on the ignition for future reference.
Switch 1 V.O.E.S. Description
OFF Normal (NO VOES) - Follows preset curve shown in chart for specific engine configurations when VOES wire is not
used - (low vacuum curves) DO NOT ground VOES wire for these curves. Use this setting for Ultima engines.
(USING VOES) - Allows timing to reach full advance by 1500 rpm under light engine load conditions,
improving throttle response and gas mileage when the VOES is present. Wide open throttle follows selected
pre-set curve. (high vacuum curves)
ON Retard Uses the V.O.E.S. wire to retard timing for nitrous or turbo equipped bikes. See below for further explanation.
Switch 2 Switch 3 Advance Curve Description
OFF OFF Curve 1 - This curve brings up the advance the earliest and to the highest final value
(most aggressive). Used on 80 and 96Ci engines.
ON OFF Curve 2 - This curve brings up the advance a little slower than curve 1. Used on 100 and 107CI
configurations.
OFF ON Curve 3 - This curve is good for hi compression engines and Ultima 113, 120 and 127Ci, advance
comes in slower than curve 2 and to a lower final value.
ON ON Curve 4 - This curve should only be used if your 120 or 127 Ci still detonates using curve 3 and
on all 130 and 140 Ci engines. Advance is brought in still slower and to a lesser final
value than curve 3 (least aggressive).
The proper advance curve will be determined by the level of engine modification, weight of bike and rider, gasoline octane rating, air
temperature, altitude, etc. If you experience any “pinging”, use a less aggressive curve. Generally, you should run the curve that is most
aggressive without causing pinging.
Last edited by johnjzjz; Mar 15, 2014 at 06:40 PM.