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Old Aug 1, 2020 | 11:01 AM
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ok, Im beginning to get a bit pissed off about this. Broke ANOTHER exhaust stud this morning. Of course its the front head, and the lower stud covered by the framerail as well. (Worst case scenario). Now for a little back story. Just did a 98" upgrade on the motor about 1500 miles ago, and replaced all four studs while the heads were off with brand new pieces. Only saving grace is that the studs screwed in easily, so should come out easy as well, once I can get an easy out in it. Exhaust is stock, and held in place with all the appropriate bolts. I use a locking nut over the flange to keep things tight. Prior to the upgrade, I had broken several of the studs and replaced them. I replaced with new during the upgrade to PREVENT this happening again, yet here I am.....

WHAT WOULD CAUSE THESE STUDS TO KEEP BREAKING with alarming regularity? Ive used all types, Harley, Aftermarket, Parts store, they all break off either flush, or just below flush with the head (on the coarse thread side of the stud) I dont over torque (snug plus a very little bit to keep from leaking with a small 1/4 drive ratchet, so cant really muscle enough to break a 5/16 grade 8 stud), WHAT AM I DOING WRONG HERE??
 

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Originally Posted by ScottinAZ
ok, Im beginning to get a bit pissed off about this. Broke ANOTHER exhaust stud this morning. Of course its the front head, and the lower stud covered by the framerail as well. (Worst case scenario). Now for a little back story. Just did a 98" upgrade on the motor about 1500 miles ago, and replaced all four studs while the heads were off with brand new pieces. Only saving grace is that the studs screwed in easily, so should come out easy as well, once I can get an easy out in it. Exhaust is stock, and held in place with all the appropriate bolts. I use a locking nut over the flange to keep things tight. Prior to the upgrade, I had broken several of the studs and replaced them. I replaced with new during the upgrade to PREVENT this happening again, yet here I am.....

WHAT WOULD CAUSE THESE STUDS TO KEEP BREAKING with alarming regularity? Ive used all types, Harley, Aftermarket, Parts store, they all break off either flush, or just below flush with the head (on the coarse thread side of the stud) I dont over torque (snug plus a very little bit to keep from leaking with a small 1/4 drive ratchet, so cant really muscle enough to break a 5/16 grade 8 stud), WHAT AM I DOING WRONG HERE??
`Ever use a torque wrench? Even when using the proper torque, do you use the proper sequence of tightening progression? Do you run the engine, let it cool and then re-torque the bolts to make sure everything is tightened evenly? Are you sure of the quality of your studs?
 
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Old Aug 1, 2020 | 12:25 PM
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Are they breaking during removal or breaking during everyday riding situations?

 
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Bad motor mounts (especially the front) can cause them to break.
With the motor bobbing up and down a lot of strain is captured by the front bolts especially.
Give them a look see.
 
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Are they breaking during removal or breaking during everyday riding situations?
Everyday riding.....every time. be riding down the road, hear a TINK noise, followed by an exhaust leak. Sure enough when checking it when stopped, one of the studs is snapped off.

Originally Posted by 76_shovel
Bad motor mounts (especially the front) can cause them to break.
With the motor bobbing up and down a lot of strain is captured by the front bolts especially.
Give them a look see.
Ill take another look at the front mount. Its got a poly front on it right now, but has broken the front before (old age, and old design). Cant remember having issues with the factory front mount even when broken before. May be onto something here.

this is the mount currently in the bike

https://www.denniskirk.com/v-twin-ma...rd/1401063.sku

 

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Old Aug 1, 2020 | 12:54 PM
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What kind of scooter is this ??
 
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Originally Posted by hvacgaspiping
`Ever use a torque wrench? Even when using the proper torque, do you use the proper sequence of tightening progression? Do you run the engine, let it cool and then re-torque the bolts to make sure everything is tightened evenly? Are you sure of the quality of your studs?
no torque wrench on these bolts. I am going on the premise that I would strip the aluminum head before breaking the damn grade 8 studs, so as I said, snug plus a little bit, likely less than the 25 foot pounds that this size stud is rated for (generic spec by size and grade). I do a recheck on the studs after a couple of running hours, and every few hours thereafter. (if "tight" I dont add any torque) The studs should be good, as I have used everything from Genuine Harley to ARP. none have lasted more or less than any others. I have tried grade 5 instead of the Grade 8 Harley, as the harder studs are technically more brittle, and therefore more susceptible to vibration. As an aside, its the front lower stud that snaps. If it was torque or technique it should be a random one that snaps, not the same damn one every time. First one that let go (after the initial one) was done by a shop, so its not just "me" that its happening to. Average lifespan is about six months..... Im tempted to just helicoil the damn threads in the head and run bolts... change them when I change the oil for cause.....
 
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What kind of scooter is this ??
sorry, its my 2000 FLHTCU Twinkie motor. Stock style heads and factory exhaust
 
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Prolly caused by stress in the header by either, the motor bouncing around from bad motor mounts, or strain due to improper placement of hanger bracket. For the later, snug up the studs, loosen the support bracket, and run the motor a bit. Then snug up the hanger bracket.
 
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Misalignment, fit or vibration issues, you just need to find which it is. Something is stressing the stud, only way to pop one aside from over torque or rusted solid.
 
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