Question/Suggestion for the Moderators...
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Question/Suggestion for the Moderators...
I will try posting this off-topic here.
I am somewhat of a regular on the Ironhead site, and sometimes take part in the Dyna site discussions as well.
I try to help as many people as I can (when I have something positive to add) and suddenly tonight I had a thought regarding making a suggestion.
There is always some question or discussion about photos and their size, how to post them etc.
I have no complaints myself about the subject, by the way.
Most sites have a real need to be able to post and view photos. These are limited to a jpeg file size of 500MB, if I am correct.
On the ironhead site we also enjoy posting photos of our machines.
However, there are many, many members who are in need of technical help. This fact struck me a very long time ago. The difference between the ironhead site and all of the other sites is in the number of members who do their own mechanical work. If you ride an ironhead you know what I am talking about here.
In my effort to provide any help that I can, I have information that should really be presented in PDF form. For over a year now I have had to take literature that I can provide for someone who has a problem and scan it. Since it is a document I usually scan and save this as a PDF. Sometimes I have to add notes to photographs to make what I want to show understandable to others. This requires me to do it in PDF form. Again, no complaints from me about this either.
When I submit it as an attachment to my reply, I must convert it over to a JPEG.
I have no problem with this and have been doing it for more than a year now. The problem comes when the attachment is opened. It usually is unreadable until you click on the image a second time. Then it becomes very readable, but the physical size is just huge! You have to scroll left/right and up/down and it is difficult to view the overall image. JPEGs just do not do well for documents.
So, finally getting to my point with this message.......
Tonight a member on the Dyna site had a wiring question. Rather than try to word a reply that would explain what he was looking for and might get confusing quickly, all that was needed was a copy of the wiring diagram. I scanned it and attached as a JPEG and it was fuzzy of course, until I clicked on the image again and then it was huge. Am I missing something here?
So I thought, everyone has Adobe Reader of one issue or another, so why is it that we cannot attach a PDF file rather than a JPEG? Is it that the PDF is too large?
I use both PDF (with documents) and JPEG (with photos) for emails and it seems like the size is not really an issue, nor that different.
As it now stands, if a member has trouble reading the 'image' I have posted, I must ask the member to email me with a request, and then return an email with the PDF attached for them. A rather long way to get it sent in my opinion.
Thanks for reading this through and the short answer to the question of why we cannot use PDF is what...............?
Thanks to all........pg
I am somewhat of a regular on the Ironhead site, and sometimes take part in the Dyna site discussions as well.
I try to help as many people as I can (when I have something positive to add) and suddenly tonight I had a thought regarding making a suggestion.
There is always some question or discussion about photos and their size, how to post them etc.
I have no complaints myself about the subject, by the way.
Most sites have a real need to be able to post and view photos. These are limited to a jpeg file size of 500MB, if I am correct.
On the ironhead site we also enjoy posting photos of our machines.
However, there are many, many members who are in need of technical help. This fact struck me a very long time ago. The difference between the ironhead site and all of the other sites is in the number of members who do their own mechanical work. If you ride an ironhead you know what I am talking about here.
In my effort to provide any help that I can, I have information that should really be presented in PDF form. For over a year now I have had to take literature that I can provide for someone who has a problem and scan it. Since it is a document I usually scan and save this as a PDF. Sometimes I have to add notes to photographs to make what I want to show understandable to others. This requires me to do it in PDF form. Again, no complaints from me about this either.
When I submit it as an attachment to my reply, I must convert it over to a JPEG.
I have no problem with this and have been doing it for more than a year now. The problem comes when the attachment is opened. It usually is unreadable until you click on the image a second time. Then it becomes very readable, but the physical size is just huge! You have to scroll left/right and up/down and it is difficult to view the overall image. JPEGs just do not do well for documents.
So, finally getting to my point with this message.......
Tonight a member on the Dyna site had a wiring question. Rather than try to word a reply that would explain what he was looking for and might get confusing quickly, all that was needed was a copy of the wiring diagram. I scanned it and attached as a JPEG and it was fuzzy of course, until I clicked on the image again and then it was huge. Am I missing something here?
So I thought, everyone has Adobe Reader of one issue or another, so why is it that we cannot attach a PDF file rather than a JPEG? Is it that the PDF is too large?
I use both PDF (with documents) and JPEG (with photos) for emails and it seems like the size is not really an issue, nor that different.
As it now stands, if a member has trouble reading the 'image' I have posted, I must ask the member to email me with a request, and then return an email with the PDF attached for them. A rather long way to get it sent in my opinion.
Thanks for reading this through and the short answer to the question of why we cannot use PDF is what...............?
Thanks to all........pg
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I've forwarded this to Terry1995 (admin). I'm sure he'll have to present it to his boss and the programmers. Not sure if it can be done or not but we'll check.
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Good question that I'm sure you're not the only one asking. If we could post .pdf documents here as well, it would be a great help as converting some documents to a .jpg fomat is a pain.
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I would think the use of .jpg is just a matter of how photographs are typically encoded and ready to go out of your camera. I don't think .PDF files are as common a file for those who would want to encode something because you would need the extra Adobe software to do that.
As far as the file size, pdf can certainly reduce the file size of a document which is why it is referred to as portable document file (PDF), but you need to open the file in your own stand alone pdf reader instead of just being able to see the photo on the screen within the post frames here.
EasternSP
As far as the file size, pdf can certainly reduce the file size of a document which is why it is referred to as portable document file (PDF), but you need to open the file in your own stand alone pdf reader instead of just being able to see the photo on the screen within the post frames here.
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Thanks HeatherC......
I post many replies using scans of the old Sportster information that is not that easy to find anymore. If I could use PDF to do it it would be much easier to both post and read.
Since I have the software to generate a PDF, mark up a photo with notes and comments etc, I think it would be an improvement if this could be done. If not, well I can easily continue as I have been doing.
Thanks for forwarding the idea on to the proper place for consideration........pg
I post many replies using scans of the old Sportster information that is not that easy to find anymore. If I could use PDF to do it it would be much easier to both post and read.
Since I have the software to generate a PDF, mark up a photo with notes and comments etc, I think it would be an improvement if this could be done. If not, well I can easily continue as I have been doing.
Thanks for forwarding the idea on to the proper place for consideration........pg
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'I would think the use of .jpg is just a matter of how photographs are typically encoded and ready to go out of your camera. I don't think .PDF files are as common a file for those who would want to encode something because you would need the extra Adobe software to do that.
As far as the file size, pdf can certainly reduce the file size of a document which is why it is referred to as portable document file (PDF), but you need to open the file in your own stand alone pdf reader instead of just being able to see the photo on the screen within the post frames here.'
EasternSP.....
That is why I made the inquiry. For example, if someone has bought a 1976 ironhead and let's say this is his/her first Harley. They will typically make their first post something like this......'How can I get this thing started?'
No dealer is going to work on this old piece of iron, but they have come to the correct place to get their questions answered. I tell many members that there is no Ironhead question that cannot be answered by some member here on the forum.
The thread begins to grow until the problems are solved and the questions are answered. This usually requires some amount of tranferring of documents other than just a photo.
I think this site provides a real service in that regard. And yes, it does take special software (which I have) to create a PDF. To open and read a PDF is very easy because everyone has Adobe Reader. I just do not know how it would relate to the forum as far as either sending or opening a PDF. As you say, the PDF is used because it can put a lot of info in a small space.
I believe JPEG is fine for most of what is posted on the forum.....i.e., mostly photos.
On the ironhead site however, there is a vast exchange of 'How to' done and the PDF would be a real benefit if it were possible to include it......pg
edit note: Attached is an example of the wiring diagram I spoke of. Scanned as a JPEG and sent. If I could have done this as a PDF it would be much easier for you to open and read.
And as far as being able to open and read a PDF on the forum, that is something that would have to be incorporated. Most websites have items that you can open using the stand alone Reader as you say. I do not know how it could be done here on the forum, that is way too technical for my pea brain to grasp, but perhaps the programers can give it some thought.
[IMG]local://upfiles/8331/6F64360A565E47ADA5B9E338352201F9.jpg[/IMG]
As far as the file size, pdf can certainly reduce the file size of a document which is why it is referred to as portable document file (PDF), but you need to open the file in your own stand alone pdf reader instead of just being able to see the photo on the screen within the post frames here.'
EasternSP.....
That is why I made the inquiry. For example, if someone has bought a 1976 ironhead and let's say this is his/her first Harley. They will typically make their first post something like this......'How can I get this thing started?'
No dealer is going to work on this old piece of iron, but they have come to the correct place to get their questions answered. I tell many members that there is no Ironhead question that cannot be answered by some member here on the forum.
The thread begins to grow until the problems are solved and the questions are answered. This usually requires some amount of tranferring of documents other than just a photo.
I think this site provides a real service in that regard. And yes, it does take special software (which I have) to create a PDF. To open and read a PDF is very easy because everyone has Adobe Reader. I just do not know how it would relate to the forum as far as either sending or opening a PDF. As you say, the PDF is used because it can put a lot of info in a small space.
I believe JPEG is fine for most of what is posted on the forum.....i.e., mostly photos.
On the ironhead site however, there is a vast exchange of 'How to' done and the PDF would be a real benefit if it were possible to include it......pg
edit note: Attached is an example of the wiring diagram I spoke of. Scanned as a JPEG and sent. If I could have done this as a PDF it would be much easier for you to open and read.
And as far as being able to open and read a PDF on the forum, that is something that would have to be incorporated. Most websites have items that you can open using the stand alone Reader as you say. I do not know how it could be done here on the forum, that is way too technical for my pea brain to grasp, but perhaps the programers can give it some thought.
[IMG]local://upfiles/8331/6F64360A565E47ADA5B9E338352201F9.jpg[/IMG]
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ORIGINAL: piniongear
'I would think the use of .jpg is just a matter of how photographs are typically encoded and ready to go out of your camera. I don't think .PDF files are as common a file for those who would want to encode something because you would need the extra Adobe software to do that.
As far as the file size, pdf can certainly reduce the file size of a document which is why it is referred to as portable document file (PDF), but you need to open the file in your own stand alone pdf reader instead of just being able to see the photo on the screen within the post frames here.'
EasternSP.....
That is why I made the inquiry. For example, if someone has bought a 1976 ironhead and let's say this is his/her first Harley. They will typically make their first post something like this......'How can I get this thing started?'
No dealer is going to work on this old piece of iron, but they have come to the correct place to get their questions answered. I tell many members that there is no Ironhead question that cannot be answered by some member here on the forum.
The thread begins to grow until the problems are solved and the questions are answered. This usually requires some amount of tranferring of documents other than just a photo.
I think this site provides a real service in that regard. And yes, it does take special software (which I have) to create a PDF. To open and read a PDF is very easy because everyone has Adobe Reader. I just do not know how it would relate to the forum as far as either sending or opening a PDF. As you say, the PDF is used because it can put a lot of info in a small space.
I believe JPEG is fine for most of what is posted on the forum.....i.e., mostly photos.
On the ironhead site however, there is a vast exchange of 'How to' done and the PDF would be a real benefit if it were possible to include it......pg
edit note: Attached is an example of the wiring diagram I spoke of. Scanned as a JPEG and sent. If I could have done this as a PDF it would be much easier for you to open and read.
And as far as being able to open and read a PDF on the forum, that is something that would have to be incorporated. Most websites have items that you can open using the stand alone Reader as you say. I do not know how it could be done here on the forum, that is way too technical for my pea brain to grasp, but perhaps the programers can give it some thought.
[IMG]local://upfiles/8331/6F64360A565E47ADA5B9E338352201F9.jpg[/IMG]
'I would think the use of .jpg is just a matter of how photographs are typically encoded and ready to go out of your camera. I don't think .PDF files are as common a file for those who would want to encode something because you would need the extra Adobe software to do that.
As far as the file size, pdf can certainly reduce the file size of a document which is why it is referred to as portable document file (PDF), but you need to open the file in your own stand alone pdf reader instead of just being able to see the photo on the screen within the post frames here.'
EasternSP.....
That is why I made the inquiry. For example, if someone has bought a 1976 ironhead and let's say this is his/her first Harley. They will typically make their first post something like this......'How can I get this thing started?'
No dealer is going to work on this old piece of iron, but they have come to the correct place to get their questions answered. I tell many members that there is no Ironhead question that cannot be answered by some member here on the forum.
The thread begins to grow until the problems are solved and the questions are answered. This usually requires some amount of tranferring of documents other than just a photo.
I think this site provides a real service in that regard. And yes, it does take special software (which I have) to create a PDF. To open and read a PDF is very easy because everyone has Adobe Reader. I just do not know how it would relate to the forum as far as either sending or opening a PDF. As you say, the PDF is used because it can put a lot of info in a small space.
I believe JPEG is fine for most of what is posted on the forum.....i.e., mostly photos.
On the ironhead site however, there is a vast exchange of 'How to' done and the PDF would be a real benefit if it were possible to include it......pg
edit note: Attached is an example of the wiring diagram I spoke of. Scanned as a JPEG and sent. If I could have done this as a PDF it would be much easier for you to open and read.
And as far as being able to open and read a PDF on the forum, that is something that would have to be incorporated. Most websites have items that you can open using the stand alone Reader as you say. I do not know how it could be done here on the forum, that is way too technical for my pea brain to grasp, but perhaps the programers can give it some thought.
[IMG]local://upfiles/8331/6F64360A565E47ADA5B9E338352201F9.jpg[/IMG]
However, if I were in need of that particular diagram, I would just right click it, click save as, save it, then open it with a program on my computer which would allow me manipulate it however I wanted.
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Once you open the diagram, if you click on the page tab it gives you differnt zoom levels. i set it (for this particular document) at 35% and it came out full page width wise, just had to scroll down to see the rest of it. Another option, and I'm just guessin at this one, is you can upload your files to your website and then just copy and paste the link in your reply where the image (PDF, JPEG, whatever) resides. Hope this helps.
