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Old Jan 20, 2015 | 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Hraefn
I wouldn't dispute that; my point was simply that for something to constitute first-degree murder, there generally has to be provable pre-meditation. This woman's actions fall in the area of gross negligence or reckless disregard for human life, but not premeditated killing.

As I noted above, I agree her actions warrant severe sanction.

Drinking and driving/riding is a premeditated act. It’s consequences are easily tangible.

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Third DUI, no license/insurance/registration and 115 mph and fleeing, one might conclude pre-mediation. This case would be charged as second degree murder in Ca.
I'd prefer 1st degree, but am willing to accept 2nd degree murder.

As a matter of fact, I think being caught while driving under the influence should be an automatic charge a attempted negligent homicide. If in ANY form of accident it gets bumped to attempted 2nd degree murder.

Zero tolerance.
 
Old Jan 20, 2015 | 10:22 PM
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No. Accidents happen, and most of the time its more one party's fault, but drunk, unlicensed, and going 115. Then fleeing? That's criminal on multiple levels. F her and her whole family. Hope she dies in jail.
Enlighten us... Whats her whole family have to do with it?

I've seen my share of asshats who have came from decent law abiding family's

$26,000 bail is F'n pathetic
 
Old Jan 21, 2015 | 03:51 AM
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Enlighten us... Whats her whole family have to do with it?

I've seen my share of asshats who have came from decent law abiding family's

$26,000 bail is F'n pathetic
It was bumped to $1.1 million and the charges now total 23 years. (See earlier Update,)
 
Old Jan 21, 2015 | 10:31 AM
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I hope the charges were "Stacked" to the maximum. And the District Attorney for that area of N.C. presses for "consecutive" sentences rather than concurrent. AT least this way she will be locked up for a very long time even though someone posted earlier the max sentence was 74 months there in N.C. Consecutive sentences can keep you behind bars for many years. That's why "thugs always plead guilty for concurrent time instead. She's a "thug" too except she used a vehicle as a deadly weapon IMO rot in jail B*t*h...
 
Old Jan 21, 2015 | 02:28 PM
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Further update, they have changed the main charge to 2nd degree murder. Also a bunch of other charges. She was in court again this afternoon.
 
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Sigh.... This is on my route to work.
 
Old Jan 21, 2015 | 05:13 PM
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Sigh.... This is on my route to work.
Yeah, but she won't be behind you anymore. In addition to second degree murder charge earlier today, they also charged her with Felony Death by motor vehicle. An example maybe? I hope so.
 
Old Jan 21, 2015 | 07:26 PM
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I'd hit... No wait, what?
 
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bronxbill
Further update, they have changed the main charge to 2nd degree murder.
Props to Upflying...you called it, man.
 
Old Jan 21, 2015 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Hraefn
Props to Upflying...you called it, man.
My pleasure, investigating fatals for 12 years helps.
 



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