will stage 1 upgrade make a noticeable difference ?
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I'm not sure how many miles you have on your bike, but I found that after putting about 5,000 miles on the engine and adding a stage 1 (with tuner) allowed me to ride smoothly and accelerate from the lower RPM range, about 1,800. When the bike was newer, and stock, I couldn't ride under 2,300 without chugging the motor and losing power.
Harley's have a short rev range. I can basically ride between 1,800 and 4,000. I can accelerate through 5,500, but that not the norm. 1,800 through 4,000 is about average.
That is a very short range and I find myself shifting constantly with spirited riding. I don't think there's any way to avoid that outside of buying an inline 4 cylinder.
Frequent shifting through the twisties was annoying at first, coming from 4 cylinder sportbikes, but I got used to it and now it's not that big a deal.
Harley's have a short rev range. I can basically ride between 1,800 and 4,000. I can accelerate through 5,500, but that not the norm. 1,800 through 4,000 is about average.
That is a very short range and I find myself shifting constantly with spirited riding. I don't think there's any way to avoid that outside of buying an inline 4 cylinder.
Frequent shifting through the twisties was annoying at first, coming from 4 cylinder sportbikes, but I got used to it and now it's not that big a deal.
Thankyou very much for the great reply, I was starting to worry that I was the problem. Very glad to have posted the question on this forum, your reply gives me great encouragement
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If you do a Stage 1 upgrade on your Softail; a freer flowing air cleaner, plus freer flowing exhaust without catalytic converters, plus retune the bike, you absolutely will feel a significant difference, particularly at low to mid range rpm, which is where you do the vast majority of your riding.
The throttle response will be better, and the pull at lower rpm will definitely make you happy you did it. In addition, the new tune will make the air fuel ratio a little richer, and the bike will run cooler.
The throttle response will be better, and the pull at lower rpm will definitely make you happy you did it. In addition, the new tune will make the air fuel ratio a little richer, and the bike will run cooler.
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I have V&H short shot staggereds, SE AC and a V&H Fuel Pak (not the VP3).
When I added the fuel pak it increased throttle response, lowered the heat a bit and increased fuel mileage.
The changes although subtle were very noticeable especially at the low end.
Very rarely do I have to downshift to first other than coming to a stop.
Post your thread on the Softail page.
You'll get a lot more recommendations.
When I added the fuel pak it increased throttle response, lowered the heat a bit and increased fuel mileage.
The changes although subtle were very noticeable especially at the low end.
Very rarely do I have to downshift to first other than coming to a stop.
Post your thread on the Softail page.
You'll get a lot more recommendations.
Many thanks for sharing your experience, I will do as you suggest about the Softail page
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aha, another mystery revealed, thanks for sharing the info, greatly appreciated
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I think what the OP is trying to get answers to is what will best clean up the low speed/rpm manners of his factory '15 heritage. Wether or not the investment in 'stage one' mods will achieve the desired result.
I stand by what I said earlier; a tuner and someone that knows how to tune will be the most cost effective solution to change the user experience where he is unhappy.
I stand by what I said earlier; a tuner and someone that knows how to tune will be the most cost effective solution to change the user experience where he is unhappy.
hi there, I am not liking the gearing on my 2015 Heritage Softail especially 1st gear, I know the stage 1 (with cleaner and full exhaust replacement and tuner) wont affect the gearing at all, but I am wondering if the engine will rev more freely in first gear and have more low revs torque in second gear so I can corner at low speed without having to change into first gear, which currently I find annoying for low speed cornering. I ride 2 up all the time so I just like to chug around when riding the neighbourhood. Any real world advice will be appreciated, because I am considering trading the bike on one of the Rushmore Project bikes that has taller gearing, david and dianne, Victoria Australia
A good Stage I will give you more torque, not just in the low RPM's, but all the way thru the RPM band, will increase your MPG, will run cooler, and will increase the longevity of the engine.
Here is a Dyno Chart of a good Stage I on a Softail Heritage-
You can see more info on the difference between most Stage I's, and good Stage I's at this LINK
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there are so many different ways to go with a "stage i". Most will get you more low end torque. Many will be very expensive. Many will make your mpg suffer. Most will make it run better at first, but as time goes by, you will slowly lose much of the initial improvement.
A good stage i will give you more torque, not just in the low rpm's, but all the way thru the rpm band, will increase your mpg, will run cooler, and will increase the longevity of the engine.
Here is a dyno chart of a good stage i on a softail heritage-
you can see more info on the difference between most stage i's, and good stage i's at this link
A good stage i will give you more torque, not just in the low rpm's, but all the way thru the rpm band, will increase your mpg, will run cooler, and will increase the longevity of the engine.
Here is a dyno chart of a good stage i on a softail heritage-
you can see more info on the difference between most stage i's, and good stage i's at this link
gretaly appreciated, thankyou for the heads up
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Waste of time. Make it sound right and leave it alone. I just pulled off my K&N and retuned the engine. Stage one does not much of anything except expense.
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I can't vouch for the 103, But my 96''er didn't change much when I did the STG 1 with pipe, A/C, SERT turner and Dyno...
But when I added the Andrews 26H cam,, THAT made a MAJOR difference in low end TQ....
I know the 103 produces about the same stock STG 1 as my Cammed 96''er so I'd have to ride a newer bike to really give a better answer.
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But when I added the Andrews 26H cam,, THAT made a MAJOR difference in low end TQ....
I know the 103 produces about the same stock STG 1 as my Cammed 96''er so I'd have to ride a newer bike to really give a better answer.
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I can't vouch for the 103, But my 96''er didn't change much when I did the STG 1 with pipe, A/C, SERT turner and Dyno...
But when I added the Andrews 26H cam,, THAT made a MAJOR difference in low end TQ....
I know the 103 produces about the same stock STG 1 as my Cammed 96''er so I'd have to ride a newer bike to really give a better answer.
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But when I added the Andrews 26H cam,, THAT made a MAJOR difference in low end TQ....
I know the 103 produces about the same stock STG 1 as my Cammed 96''er so I'd have to ride a newer bike to really give a better answer.
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