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Old Nov 5, 2016 | 02:23 PM
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There's no way the 14 in his signature picture with a low profile primary cover takes 38 ounces on a wet fill. I'd need to go to the garage to grab my touring service manual, I have to refer to it every time 3 different bikes have 3 different fluid service levels.

In answer to the clutch adjustment question. There is no clutch pack adjustment on the hydraulic clutches.
 
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Old Nov 5, 2016 | 04:58 PM
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I have the service manual and it calls for the 38oz. I'm kinda wondering maybe I didn't get enough of the old out essentially causing it to be a bit over. Still have not had time to do a visual check.

Not pretty, but from the manual:

PRIMARY CHAINCASE LUBRICANT 1.10
GENERAL
All models have an automatic chain tensioner. For primary
chain service procedures, see 5.4 DRIVE COMPONENTS.
CHANGING PRIMARY CHAINCASE
LUBRICANT
FASTENER TORQUE VALUE
Primary chaincase drain plug 14-21 ft-Ibs 19.0-28.5 Nm
Clutch inspection cover screw 84-108 in-Ibs 9.5-12.2 Nm
Battery terminal fastener 60-72 in-Ibs 6.8-8.1 Nm
1. Run motorcycle until engine is at normal operating temperature.
NOTICE
When draining or adding lubricant, do not allow dirt, debris
or other contaminants to enter the engine. (00198a)
AWARNING
Be sure that no lubricants or fluids get on tires, wheels or
brakes when changing fluid. Traction can be adversely
affected, which could result in loss of control of the
motorcycle and death or serious injury. (00047d)
2. See Figure 1-12. Drain lubricant into suitable container.
3. Clean drain plug. If plug has accumulated a lot of debris,
inspect the condition of chaincase components.
4. Install new O-ring on drain plug.
5. Install drain plug into primary chaincase cover. Tighten to
14-21 ft-Ibs (19.0-28.5 Nm).
AWARNING
To prevent accidental vehicle start-up, which could cause
death or serious injury, disconnect negative (-) battery
cable before proceeding. (00048a)
6. Disconnect negative battery cable.
7. See Figure 1-13. Remove screws with captive washers
(3) and clutch inspection cover (2).
8. Remove seal (1). Wipe oil from groove in chaincase cover
and mounting surface.
NOTICE
Do not overfill the primary chaincase with lubricant.
Overfilling can cause rough clutch engagement, incomplete
disengagement, clutch drag and/or difficulty in finding
neutral at engine idle. (00199b)
9. Place motorcycle in an upright position to fill primary
chaincase.
10. Pour specified amount of FORMULA+ TRANSMISSION
AND PRIMARY CHAINCASE LUBRICANT through clutch
inspection cover opening. Refer to Table 1-9.
Table 1-9. Primary Chaincase Lubricant Refill Capacity
ITEM CAPACITY
Primary chaincase lubricant 38oz (1 .12 L) wet
45oz (1.33 L) dry
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Figure 1-12. Removal/Installation of Chaincase Drain Plug
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1. Seal
2. Clutch inspection cover
3. Screw with captive washer (5)
Figure 1-13. Clutch Cover
2014 Touring Service: Maintenance 1-27
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11. Install clutch inspection cover and new seal:
a. Thoroughly wipe all lubricant from cover mounting
surface and groove in chaincase cover.
b. See Figure 1-13. Position new seal (1) in groove in
clutch inspection cover. Press each of the nubs on
seal into the groove.
c. Secure inspection cover with screws with captive
washers (3).
d. See Figure 1-14. Tighten in sequence shown to 84108
in-Ibs (9.5-12.2 Nm).
12. Connect battery negative cable. Tighten to 60-72 in-Ibs
(6.8-8.1 Nm).
1-28 2014 Touring Service: Maintenance
Figure 1-14. Clutch Cover Torque Sequence
 
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Old Nov 5, 2016 | 05:13 PM
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I've run Formula+ in my 14 FLHTK without any problems. I drain & refill with 35 ounces (instead of the 38 ounces stated in the SM). I also use Formula+ in the transmission. So far so good @ 74,000 miles.
 
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Old Nov 5, 2016 | 05:23 PM
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Again, this is your problem:

NOTICE
Do not overfill the primary chaincase with lubricant.
Overfilling can cause rough clutch engagement, incomplete
disengagement, clutch drag and/or difficulty in finding
neutral at engine idle. (00199b)
 
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Old Nov 5, 2016 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 14GuineaPig
I've run Formula+ in my 14 FLHTK without any problems. I drain & refill with 35 ounces (instead of the 38 ounces stated in the SM). I also use Formula+ in the transmission. So far so good @ 74,000 miles.
+1 this is what HD recommends. Yeah you can use the syn3 stuff also if you want. I use the HD regular motor oil in the engine too and things are just fine.
 

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Old Nov 5, 2016 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by hardheaded
no clutch adjustment on a 14, so i'm thinking to much fluid in the primary.
Tell that to my 14 RoadKing.
 
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Old Nov 5, 2016 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RomeoTango
I have Formula+ in the Primary (Belray is in the transmission). The quart vs 38oz cited the manual seems like it would be a big difference. Unless, I suppose, I did not drain enough? I did sit the bike up straight a couple times to let as much as possible drain out.
I missunderstood.
I thought you had Belray in the primary.

Everything else I said was correct.

FWIW the manual for my '95 calls for 38-42 floz.

You really just don't need that much!!!
All you need is enough for the clutch hub to sling around and lubricate the primary chain.
 
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Old Nov 5, 2016 | 08:20 PM
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I'll be checking it first chance I get. Gotta distract the wife from my chores somehow this weekend... :-)
 
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Old Nov 5, 2016 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RomeoTango
I'll be checking it first chance I get. Gotta distract the wife from my chores somehow this weekend... :-)
Ask her if you can use her "Turkey Baster" to pull out the excess oil, see how distracted she gets..................LOL
 
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Old Nov 5, 2016 | 10:18 PM
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I stand corrected. I was sure the wet fill was less than 38.

I'm probably thinking transmission.
 
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