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Old Sep 14, 2018 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom84FXST
It is amazing that MotoGP racing bikes have a tons of electronics,,,traction control...launch(anti-wheelie) control...engine braking control...fuel control...etc..etc

Guess what they don't have?

Well, they don't have amateurs operating them on public roads, that's what they don't have.

 
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Old Sep 14, 2018 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom84FXST
It is amazing that MotoGP racing bikes have a tons of electronics,,,traction control...launch(anti-wheelie) control...engine braking control...fuel control...etc..etc

Guess what they don't have?

And how many guys ride at the skill level of motoGP?
Those are controlled conditions, no soccer mom texting while changing the dipper.

 
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Old Sep 14, 2018 | 02:53 PM
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Would be interesting to note-
How many here have engaged their ABS this year.
This month?
This week?
Every ride?
I'm talking for a bonafide need for maximum braking. Not for practice, but for a real event.
How often have any of you activated your ABS in a real situation?
 
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Old Sep 14, 2018 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Cossack84
Talk about crappy reading/comprehension skills, my bad!
No worries.

Originally Posted by NORTY FLATZ
Would be interesting to note-
How many here have engaged their ABS this year.
This month?
This week?
Every ride?
I'm talking for a bonafide need for maximum braking. Not for practice, but for a real event.
How often have any of you activated your ABS in a real situation?
I've had one unintended ABS activation within about the last year. I had it set on the "normal" mode at the time. I was doing max braking at the time. I have since switched the ABS to the "race" mode, which has a higher threshold before ABS intervention. We'll see how that goes.
 

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Old Sep 14, 2018 | 03:01 PM
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If I had a choice no ABS for me
 
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Old Sep 14, 2018 | 03:03 PM
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I said I was done but I couldn't let this one pass. I've actually ridden the California Superbike Schools Braking bike (similar to the one in the first video) and when that front wheel locks up, the bike wants to spin even in the dry, no help from the rider needed, and it's all one can do just to hold on, let alone actually control the bike. Has to be 100X worse in the wet.

And I thought I'd share this photo I copied from another user on this Forum, which is a good illustration of how ABS really works:


Have you ever tried to push a heavy box across a rug? It takes a lot of force to get it started (because of the high coefficient of static friction), but once it's moving, one needs much less force to keep it going (the coefficient of dynamic/sliding friction is much lower). An ABS system modulates the braking in order to maintain the most (static) friction available for maximum stopping power.

Want to REALLY lower the coefficient of sliding friction? Just "lay the bike down" and see how far you'll slide when metal instead of rubber slides on pavement ROTFL!
 

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Old Sep 14, 2018 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by shorelasHD
Want to REALLY lower the coefficient of sliding friction? Just "lay the bike down" ROTFL!
That one always makes me chuckle.

They don't really know how to ride, so they panic, stomp the rear brake, lock up the rear wheel, and crash.

Afterwards, their ego prevents them from admitting that they have absolutely no idea what they did wrong to cause themselves to crash, so they make up the old "Had to lay 'er down" lie, to try to explain it away.

Ego is probably the biggest single impediment to learning how to ride a motorcycle properly. Irrational fear is probably # 2. But I find that ego problems and irrational fear usually go hand-in-hand when it comes to the inability to learn to ride a motorcycle properly.

 
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Old Sep 14, 2018 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by NORTY FLATZ
Would be interesting to note-
How many here have engaged their ABS this year.
This month?
This week?
Every ride?
I'm talking for a bonafide need for maximum braking. Not for practice, but for a real event.
How often have any of you activated your ABS in a real situation?
Once, 4AM in a pouring rainstorm (chance of rain 0% predicted, that's why I took the bike to work in the first place) this last spring on the FLHR, car ran a red light in front of me. I was glad I had ABS that night.
 

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Old Sep 14, 2018 | 03:29 PM
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I'm sure ABS will be required on all new street bikes in the near future...both of my Suzuki's came with ABS from the factory, no option and I'm fine with that.

Are there any new cars/trucks that don't have ABS as a standard item from the factory?
 
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Old Sep 14, 2018 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Cossack84
And how many guys ride at the skill level of motoGP?
Those are controlled conditions, no soccer mom texting while changing the dipper.
I met a guy that worked at the Yamaha dealership I bought my helmet at. He raced on the Yamaha factory team for a about 5 years. Pretty cool guy (even if he was a tick arrogant). He was way pro ABS on motorcycles. Arai helmets, full power ranger riding gear and ABS. Didn't have to be around him long to figure that out.
 

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