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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 09:27 PM
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I wonder if Indians lose all braking ability if the ABS module gets crapped up due to lack of maintenance. I would like to think that the MoCo design is a flaw not shared by other vehicle manufacturers. I haven't read or heard about any other companies doing a recall like HD did for the '08 through '11 ABS machines. I tried to figure out if there was an ABS module design upgrade for the 2012 models (using Ronnie's HD parts diagrams) but I haven't found any clear evidence of a parts upgrade, at least so far. And, now we have a post of a failure on a 2018 Heritage, so if there was an upgrade it might have reduced the number of bikes with problems but if you're riding an ABS bike today there's a decision to make. You could:
-ignore it. Assume the bikes with problems are an extreme minority and just ride.
-change brake fluid every 2 years, either yourself or by paying the dealer with their system that energizes the ABS and allows a complete flush.

If you do it yourself it's probably fine and your system shouldn't ever get enough moisture/fluid breakdown to bring on the corrosion issue that stops up the ABS module. However, the fluid flows from the master cylinder through the ABS module and on to the brake caliper, but there are a pair of very small parts (they look like spool valves if you're into pneumatics). When not energized they are sitting in a small passage surrounded by a very small amount of fluid that likely doesn't move during a bleeding session. And, that's exactly where the corrosion problem appears to be. Does that 'old' fluid move out and get diluted by the new fluid you installed? Yeah, probably.
The good news is that we're not hearing about tens of thousands of bikes losing their brakes, so no need to panic. If you're **** or if you have to do work that introduces air into the system, the aftermarket has a tool for $185 that is supposed to energize the ABS module and let you do a most excellent and complete bleed job. (It's further up in this thread, mentioned at least a few times). Seems expensive but shops are reported to be charging $100 and more, so a couple of times and you're even plus you know it's done right.
I'll probably buy the aftermarket tool but can afford to wait another 6 months or so. Maybe some more info or something cheaper will surface. Enjoy your rides!
 
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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 09:30 PM
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I've pulled fuse on ABS on truck. Ran fine.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Zerk
I've pulled fuse on ABS on truck. Ran fine.
For crap's sake, did HD build your truck?

If not, your comment is totally irrelevant (like much of what you post).
 
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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 99Birdman
For crap's sake, did HD build your truck?

If not, your comment is totally irrelevant (like much of what you post).
As for the same reason I asked earlier, how other bikes ABS is, I wonder if this is a Harley thing. I am not one to believe ABS should be avoided because it is new. Maybe cause sold by Harley.

I thought you got over your infatuation with me. But I guess pride month is over in CA.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Zerk
I've pulled fuse on ABS on truck. Ran fine.
Did you pull the fuse on your Harley? Let's stay relevant here...
 
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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Zerk
As for the same reason I asked earlier, how other bikes ABS is, I wonder if this is a Harley thing. I am not one to believe ABS should be avoided because it is new. Maybe cause sold by Harley.

I thought you got over your infatuation with me. But I guess pride month is over in CA.
Originally Posted by Tommy C
Did you pull the fuse on your Harley? Let's stay relevant here...
Funny other companies can design an ABS that you can turn off, and brakes work fine.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Rsbenden
If HD is going to charge me more than the cost of the tools to do it myself Ill buy the specific tool....yes I do own and continue to buy HD specific tools, I flushed my brakes recently w this syringe. Ya can probably do those also,it's not rocket science. This is why I own an Evo,simple,reliable and bulletproof if well maintained.
Just did a cam,lifters n programable ingition last wk.
When I had my Evo I knew exactly how to take care of it and did it all. This new bike is way too complicated for me and I find at my age I have no desire to deal with it. Not only that but it seems like the bike fights me at every turn and even the most routine service tasks seem to be designed to frustrate the owner and force you to take the bike to the dealer.

Sad fact is I just don’t like my ‘19 Heritage well enough to be willing to deal with all that.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncle G.

Sad fact is I just don’t like my ‘19 Heritage well enough to be willing to deal with all that.
The point when you were young you had the energy. If you had this bike, when you were younger and cared, maybe you would learn it to..
 
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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by firehawk6

Just another reason why I'm glad I do not have ABS, don't need it, don't want it. I've been riding for almost 50 years and have been just fine without it.
I just bought a 2019 FLHT Standard after looking at quite a few bikes and finding out it's the last year where ABS is an option not standard on the FLHT,I didn't want it for the same reasons as you,50 years of riding experience and I don't need or want it. I was lucky to get one of the last non-ABS '19's after almost pulling the trigger on a 2020 and finding out they all have ABS.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2019 | 10:27 PM
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But a 2000 is not your last Harley.
 
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