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Old Nov 22, 2019 | 09:53 PM
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I have a 2008 road king cvo flhrse4. I had a lifter fail (roller came apart). I replaced lifters and cams and put it all back together. Started it up and knocking like crazy to be expected till lifters pump up but the oil light is on. Why. Will it stay on till lifters pump up or do I have a bad oil pump. I opened oil pump up and everything looked ok when I installed cams
 
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Old Nov 23, 2019 | 05:26 AM
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It is possible to put oil pump back together backwards. Bike will start, but no oil pressure.

Ask me how I know.

 
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Old Nov 23, 2019 | 07:41 AM
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Did take the oil pump apart and look at the gerators? They can break and your pump won't pump. Did you a count for all of the pins that were supposed to be in the roller? I'd pull the cam cover again and look the pump over really well, if that roller lost pins they went somewhere and it's usually not good. You can pop a pushrod cover and lift it up and look down on top of the lifters and see if there's at least oil to thst point. How long did you let it run? I know its painful to listen too while it seems like forever to pump up. You should hear it after a total rebuild...it took so long to pump up i was ready to tear it back down. I have the same bike btw. Any issues or problems you run into I've probably seen or read about all of them for these cvos lol.
 
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Old Nov 23, 2019 | 08:01 AM
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I had a lifter wheel bearing on my '93 Ultra come apart years ago. I brought it to the local dealer. They pulled the rear valve cover and parts of the chewed up bearing made their way up to there. There's a good chance of having bits and pieces of the lifter plug up oil passageways, piston jets, and in the oil pump. You may have to disassemble the motor to clean it all out. I know this is not what you want to hear, but be ready if it is.,,,
 
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Old Nov 23, 2019 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by whittterry
I have a 2008 road king cvo flhrse4. I had a lifter fail (roller came apart). I replaced lifters and cams and put it all back together. Started it up and knocking like crazy to be expected till lifters pump up but the oil light is on. Why. Will it stay on till lifters pump up or do I have a bad oil pump. I opened oil pump up and everything looked ok when I installed cams
I thought it was only Evo lifters that were prone to tappet roller failure. Sad to see that some things never change.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2019 | 12:12 PM
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Ok. I just pulled the cam cover and oil was in the cam case. So that means the oil pump is working?
 
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Old Nov 24, 2019 | 12:33 PM
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Make sure an o-ring on the passages behind the plate is not pinched and blocking the port. Also, did you properly align the pump on reinstall and measure to make sure the gerotor stands proud (wavy washer)?
 
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Old Nov 24, 2019 | 02:34 PM
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Yeah, hate to say it, but anything fails like that that can spread fragments around means a complete teardown. Careful check on all the lower end bearings and clean all the oil passages. Then a careful build checking everything as it goes together. Too much chance of a plugged passage or metal chips in a main or rod bearing. Having done it once or twice, I can say you do NOT want to be aboard when a rod comes through the case and dumps hot oil in front of the back tire while everything seizes up. Might almost be better to do some kind of engine swap.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2019 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by whittterry
Ok. I just pulled the cam cover and oil was in the cam case. So that means the oil pump is working?
not necessarily. I did cams and headwork over this past winter. When I was reassembling I put the cam plate on with oil pump attached, it was loose so I could do the alignment but it was a huge mistake. The pump didn't seat all the way onto the crank and during the torquing process the outer gyrator broke. I didn't feel it then or while doing the alignment procedure on the oil pump. This wasn't my first time doing it this way but I guess I just got lucky the other times. Upon initial startup I had the typical lifter clatter and let it run for 30 to 45 seconds...the oil light was off the whole time. It wasn't getting any quieter so I shut it down and chewed a few finger nails off then ran it again for another 30 to 45 seconds...no improvement. I looked at the dipstick...nice clean oil there. Popped a pushrod cover and looked into the lifter galley and it was dry as a bone. I knew somethingwas up. Pulled the cam cover off and some old oil came out...hmmm...not pumping for sure. Pulled the cam plate then it was clear as can be what was wrong. That was a mistake I'll never make again. You need to pull the cam plate and look that oil pump over. With the two gyrators and the wave washer I believe it should stick out of the pump housing .180 or so...i could look in the manual but I have a cat on one leg and the dogs head on another lol. Pull that pump ! Lol

this will ruin your whole day...luckily all the pieces stayed right there. I ended up with a shifted crank and a bad rod bearing later that season, not sure if this helped bring that on or not but it sure has been an expensive year.
 
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Old Nov 24, 2019 | 08:28 PM
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I know its painful to listen too while it seems like forever to pump up. You should hear it after a total rebuild...it took so long to pump up i was ready to tear it back down.
I have a habit of pulling the spark plugs and spinning the engine on the starter and battery until I see pressure or oil flow where it needs to be.
 
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