PowerVision vs FP3
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PowerVision vs FP3
Yes, I know...beating the dead horse here, but I do have some questions that I just couldn't find from all the threads here. First off, I have to say, I love this forum. This is my first HD and I am learning a lot from all of you, so thank you for taking the time to teach us noobs.
I bought my bike with Rinehart slip-ons already installed. I want to replace the awful factory air intake, so I purchased HD SE Heavy Breather Elite ( https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/e...Kit/p/29400407 ) I understand, I will need a tuner. I am going by what is recommended by the SE and in there, they say that tuner is required. With that said, I narrowed it down to two, PV and FP3. I am aware that my warranty will be voided if I install any of these, and I am ok with that. I will have few months left, or maybe I will wait until warranty expires.
Anyways, the question I have is this. The general consensus here is that is PV is better than FP3. I ask, why? What does PV do better than FP3? Is the quality of the map better? They are both almost same price. What I like about FP3 is the BT connection to my phone. I am not really too crazy with having additional screen attached somewhere. I know I can remove it, but then, what's the point? They both have auto tuning as well.
So what makes PV so much better?
I bought my bike with Rinehart slip-ons already installed. I want to replace the awful factory air intake, so I purchased HD SE Heavy Breather Elite ( https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/e...Kit/p/29400407 ) I understand, I will need a tuner. I am going by what is recommended by the SE and in there, they say that tuner is required. With that said, I narrowed it down to two, PV and FP3. I am aware that my warranty will be voided if I install any of these, and I am ok with that. I will have few months left, or maybe I will wait until warranty expires.
Anyways, the question I have is this. The general consensus here is that is PV is better than FP3. I ask, why? What does PV do better than FP3? Is the quality of the map better? They are both almost same price. What I like about FP3 is the BT connection to my phone. I am not really too crazy with having additional screen attached somewhere. I know I can remove it, but then, what's the point? They both have auto tuning as well.
So what makes PV so much better?
I've had a PV on 2 of my previous bikes and currently running a FP3 on my Night Train and the SE Tuner on my RKS. In an extremely short run down, I would say that the FP3 is more user friendly and easier to use if you're doing minor mods but the PV has more settings and bells/whistles and more data if you're looking to deep dive into tuning. If you just plan on doing cams or less, FP3 will be fine. More than that I would gravitate to the PV
You're going to get a lot of feedback on people that want to cheer for their product, but that's just my hot take after using both.
You're going to get a lot of feedback on people that want to cheer for their product, but that's just my hot take after using both.
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All I know is what I read on the internet - which mostly says that an FP3 works fine for stage 1 (only exhaust and A/C mods), but if you are going to go beyond that to adding cams and more, then the PV is the way to go.
My personal experiance is only with the FP3 - I wanted to keep the warranty intact, had stage 1 mufflers and A/C added to my '16 Roadglide at the 1,000 mile service, along with the "dealer flash" to the ECM. Now that the bike is out of warranty, last week I added an FP3 and downloaded V&H's map for my setup, and noticed an immediate improvement. Bike runs smoother and feels stronger. Not a huge differance, but enough to feel. Took about five minutes to install the FP3, a few more minutes to download the map and flash it to the bike. Dead simple, even this tech-challanged 73 year old could do it. I am planning on trying an autotune session today, just to see if that is any improvement over the "canned" map from V&H.
My personal experiance is only with the FP3 - I wanted to keep the warranty intact, had stage 1 mufflers and A/C added to my '16 Roadglide at the 1,000 mile service, along with the "dealer flash" to the ECM. Now that the bike is out of warranty, last week I added an FP3 and downloaded V&H's map for my setup, and noticed an immediate improvement. Bike runs smoother and feels stronger. Not a huge differance, but enough to feel. Took about five minutes to install the FP3, a few more minutes to download the map and flash it to the bike. Dead simple, even this tech-challanged 73 year old could do it. I am planning on trying an autotune session today, just to see if that is any improvement over the "canned" map from V&H.
If you're ever planning on having multiple bikes or ever plan on getting into the engine and do a lot of things yourself, the PV is amazing. I have it on my Bones, and if I wanted to use it on my SG all I'd have to do is buy a second license and I can use my device. The PV is easy to use, but has so many variables when tuning you can easily detune as apposed to get it perfect. But the auto tune feature is great.
Bottom line, contact the shop that would be doing your install or engine work and ask them what they like using. That will make it easier for them, and then better for you. If you're doing all your own stuff, the PV worked great on my Bones after I learned how to use it all properly. It was a trial by fire. Thankfully, I was able to get a lot of help from Fuel Moto even though I didn't buy from them. If I were to do it over, I'd buy the PV from FM and let them do all the grunt work. When the time comes, I'm hoping I can buy the additional license from FM for my SG. Those guys are awesome.
Bottom line, contact the shop that would be doing your install or engine work and ask them what they like using. That will make it easier for them, and then better for you. If you're doing all your own stuff, the PV worked great on my Bones after I learned how to use it all properly. It was a trial by fire. Thankfully, I was able to get a lot of help from Fuel Moto even though I didn't buy from them. If I were to do it over, I'd buy the PV from FM and let them do all the grunt work. When the time comes, I'm hoping I can buy the additional license from FM for my SG. Those guys are awesome.
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If you're ever planning on having multiple bikes or ever plan on getting into the engine and do a lot of things yourself, the PV is amazing. I have it on my Bones, and if I wanted to use it on my SG all I'd have to do is buy a second license and I can use my device. The PV is easy to use, but has so many variables when tuning you can easily detune as apposed to get it perfect. But the auto tune feature is great.
Bottom line, contact the shop that would be doing your install or engine work and ask them what they like using. That will make it easier for them, and then better for you. If you're doing all your own stuff, the PV worked great on my Bones after I learned how to use it all properly. It was a trial by fire. Thankfully, I was able to get a lot of help from Fuel Moto even though I didn't buy from them. If I were to do it over, I'd buy the PV from FM and let them do all the grunt work. When the time comes, I'm hoping I can buy the additional license from FM for my SG. Those guys are awesome.
Bottom line, contact the shop that would be doing your install or engine work and ask them what they like using. That will make it easier for them, and then better for you. If you're doing all your own stuff, the PV worked great on my Bones after I learned how to use it all properly. It was a trial by fire. Thankfully, I was able to get a lot of help from Fuel Moto even though I didn't buy from them. If I were to do it over, I'd buy the PV from FM and let them do all the grunt work. When the time comes, I'm hoping I can buy the additional license from FM for my SG. Those guys are awesome.
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I've had both, and the simple answer is: if you're doing simple things, like a stage 1, the FP3 is a fantastic device and extremely user-friendly.
But if you're ever planning on getting your bike professionally dyno tuned, the FP3 is the wrong way to go. Very few if any professional tuners use it, whereas the TTS and especially the PowerVision are ubiquitous in good dyno tuner shops.
FP3 for the DIY guy, PV for working with pros, getting your engine built, going big-bore, etc.
But if you're ever planning on getting your bike professionally dyno tuned, the FP3 is the wrong way to go. Very few if any professional tuners use it, whereas the TTS and especially the PowerVision are ubiquitous in good dyno tuner shops.
FP3 for the DIY guy, PV for working with pros, getting your engine built, going big-bore, etc.
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Yeah, see...I am not planning on doing any engine work. But who knows, that could very well change too
I even think they are same price now. Fuel Moto has PV for $399
I even think they are same price now. Fuel Moto has PV for $399
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I bought my headers and exhaust through FuelMoto. they recommend the Powervision. That was good enough for me
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The last thing you want to do is get the FP3 then decide down the rode you want to do a cam or big bore and have to upgrade your tuner. That's one thing I considered as well. I knew I wanted to do a cam but who knows, in a year or two I might decide to do a 124 or 128 and an FP3 was not going to do me a whole lot of good. For the same price you're not overpaying even if you do or don't decide to do any motor work.