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Old Aug 29, 2021 | 06:40 AM
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That’s exactly my thought lmao cause they seem to go bad more than I’d like to see

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If HD is selling and making a profit on ECM's there is no way they will be of any help diagnosing the problem. The auto industry has the same problem. Once you marry the new ecm to the car or truck, it's over.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2021 | 06:51 AM
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I do follow the diag trees, the book has helped a lot. I misspoke though, it doesn’t guess but some of the final questions at the tree are like;

“Is the resistance between the wire less than 0.5 ohms?”

Yes: Replace ECM

No: Find short in wire

So if I run tests to double check there is no short in the wire and resistance between wires is less than 0.5 ohms, it has to be the ECM, yes. But I just like to double check things so like I said in another reply, I can confidently assure my diag was right by my own word. So I just wish I could some how double check the ecm. There is not visible damage when they go. It just doesn’t work right anymore.


Also the Harley I’m working at unfortunately doesn’t have some specific specialty tools which are usually provided, which include breakout boxes or their wires to test electrical stuff easier. The other techs and are trying to get them to buy them

Originally Posted by Ed Ramberger
Pretty sure if you followed the diagnostic trees properly this wouldn't be an issue. Book doesn't "guess" that you need an ECM if the tests are performed correctly.
 

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Old Aug 29, 2021 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by OGBlackout
I do follow the diag trees, the book has helped a lot. I misspoke though, it doesn’t guess but some of the final questions at the tree are like;

“Is the resistance between the wire less than 0.5 ohms?”

Yes: Replace ECM

No: Find short in wire
And that's the thing I guess - they don't write that you've to check with the right tools! If you check the wire with your common multimeter, it uses not the same voltage and amp as your electrical system does (Ohm's law R=V/I). So the multimeter tells you everything is ok - but it doesn't because it uses much lower voltage and amp.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2021 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by General Hangover
I made another experience with my 92 Eglide and the official electric manual. They describe o lot of procedures to check the self canceling turning module. I did them all and the diagnosis was that I've to replace the module. I wouldn't believe that and did some voltage drop measurements. And voilŕ: It was just a short circuit in one case of the turn signal lamps.

Nearly 30 years old stuff - but I bet it's the same thing still today.
Great observation. i teach prople that voltage drop tests are where nearly all manufacturers miss the boat. They will have you test for 12v in an empty socket and if yes move you forward. Testing a loaded circuit is key and missed by so many people.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2021 | 09:53 AM
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I meant to answer that other reply! Yes I was told from the master tech at my shop that voltage drop checks are important and a good way to find stubborn issues. Sometimes it’s the old tricks that end up working the best

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Great observation. i teach prople that voltage drop tests are where nearly all manufacturers miss the boat. They will have you test for 12v in an empty socket and if yes move you forward. Testing a loaded circuit is key and missed by so many people.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2021 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by OGBlackout
I do follow the diag trees, the book has helped a lot. I misspoke though, it doesn’t guess but some of the final questions at the tree are like;

“Is the resistance between the wire less than 0.5 ohms?”

Yes: Replace ECM

No: Find short in wire

So if I run tests to double check there is no short in the wire and resistance between wires is less than 0.5 ohms, it has to be the ECM, yes. But I just like to double check things so like I said in another reply, I can confidently assure my diag was right by my own word. So I just wish I could some how double check the ecm. There is not visible damage when they go. It just doesn’t work right anymore.


Also the Harley I’m working at unfortunately doesn’t have some specific specialty tools which are usually provided, which include breakout boxes or their wires to test electrical stuff easier. The other techs and are trying to get them to buy them
am just curious, is an ECM failure that common or very rare?
 
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Old Aug 29, 2021 | 11:06 AM
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I would say not very common but not rare either, some where in between. I just see a lot of them because you want to bring it to a dealer to swap for a new one, needs to be calibrated and all that fun stuff. It’s more common on bikes with a lot of wiring done by themselves or from “a buddy” that short out and end up frying a connection on the ecm


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am just curious, is an ECM failure that common or very rare?
 
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Old Aug 29, 2021 | 12:31 PM
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Every service manual takes you down the road to the problem, but there are many branches off of that road. You have to be smart enough to make the right choice on the part. Even my scanner for the auto leads to many things a problem can be. Sounds like you are very detailed in your diag. of the problem. I wish there were more techs like yourself. Keep up the good work.
 
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