base decals??????????
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RE: base decals??????????
I take my riders course everytime I ride. Take a course every three years? Absurd. I rode in Germany for three years and was never required to take the course. Had to take it at Ft. Eustis in VA when I got there(they paid for it and I got two days off). Taking the advanced course makes sense, but to take it (basic course)every few years seems sort of strange to me.I love the MSF and all it does, but ifanyone who rides regularly feels they need that course (other than to satisfy the military) I find that strange.
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RE: base decals??????????
I hadn't taken it for twenty years and then gota speeding ticket. I decided what the hey I have to pay anyway and took the advanced course. I had a ball. It is great for getting back to basics and will do it every few years.
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From: pensacola, fl
RE: base decals??????????
ok ............I'll chime in on this one..........
First off let me say I work as the safety manager at NAS Pensacola and involved almost daily with Motorcycle questions.
I am also retired Air Force so I can give another viewpoint from that side of the house. Also I am a certified MSF Rider Coach for Florida.
First, In the Navy their is no time limit on the rider course you take..........it doesn't expire. Same with the Air Force. That being said, each installation can be different in their rules...............rememeber the CO owns the base.
Second, Taking an experienced course every couple of years can not hurt. I have had a termendous amount of people go thru these classes who have come back and said they learned/relearnedsomething valuable............Isn't that the point???????? and the darn class is free............
Third, There is a new instruction coming out soon that will require ALL services to train/retrain riders every 3 years. No questions asked.................
Now the question you asking: WHY:..............answer.............
go to any of the services safety centers websites and just take a quick look at the stats of motorcycle fatalities...........the DOD is losing more people on motorcycleseach month than a typical bad week or two in the war zone...................
Honestly, when you read the quicksummary of the reports we continue to see the same thing.........speeding.........drinking..........u nder 26 or over 35...........too much bikeand lack of experience.............or E-5 or -7....hitting guardrail..........................
you get my point>>>>>>>>>>>& gt;>
is the MSF class the answer? Yes and no...........we give you the tools in both classes to become a safe rider.......think back when you went thru >>>>>>>>what were the major topics of discussion?
safety/ riding smart/ PPE........................
It is still the rider who makes the decision to pull the throttle back or weave in traffic..............unfortuntely these decisions have deadly consequences....................and we continue to lose fine american troops...not to war.....but to the road/poles/guardrails of the highways...........
lastly.................anyone who tells me that can't learn something on their bike by going thru the class or just having a fun day out with the boys is a liar......................and your probably going to become a stat..............
I learn from my mistakes every time I get off my bike...........some people do not get a second chance.....................
First off let me say I work as the safety manager at NAS Pensacola and involved almost daily with Motorcycle questions.
I am also retired Air Force so I can give another viewpoint from that side of the house. Also I am a certified MSF Rider Coach for Florida.
First, In the Navy their is no time limit on the rider course you take..........it doesn't expire. Same with the Air Force. That being said, each installation can be different in their rules...............rememeber the CO owns the base.
Second, Taking an experienced course every couple of years can not hurt. I have had a termendous amount of people go thru these classes who have come back and said they learned/relearnedsomething valuable............Isn't that the point???????? and the darn class is free............
Third, There is a new instruction coming out soon that will require ALL services to train/retrain riders every 3 years. No questions asked.................
Now the question you asking: WHY:..............answer.............
go to any of the services safety centers websites and just take a quick look at the stats of motorcycle fatalities...........the DOD is losing more people on motorcycleseach month than a typical bad week or two in the war zone...................
Honestly, when you read the quicksummary of the reports we continue to see the same thing.........speeding.........drinking..........u nder 26 or over 35...........too much bikeand lack of experience.............or E-5 or -7....hitting guardrail..........................
you get my point>>>>>>>>>>>& gt;>
is the MSF class the answer? Yes and no...........we give you the tools in both classes to become a safe rider.......think back when you went thru >>>>>>>>what were the major topics of discussion?
safety/ riding smart/ PPE........................
It is still the rider who makes the decision to pull the throttle back or weave in traffic..............unfortuntely these decisions have deadly consequences....................and we continue to lose fine american troops...not to war.....but to the road/poles/guardrails of the highways...........
lastly.................anyone who tells me that can't learn something on their bike by going thru the class or just having a fun day out with the boys is a liar......................and your probably going to become a stat..............
I learn from my mistakes every time I get off my bike...........some people do not get a second chance.....................
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From: Opelika,Al.
RE: base decals??????????
What about Retiree's? It seams every time I go to a Military base the rules have changed. Lets face it Motorcycles are highly discouraged on base.
ORIGINAL: 07yellowglide
ok ............I'll chime in on this one..........
First off let me say I work as the safety manager at NAS Pensacola and involved almost daily with Motorcycle questions.
I am also retired Air Force so I can give another viewpoint from that side of the house. Also I am a certified MSF Rider Coach for Florida.
First, In the Navy their is no time limit on the rider course you take..........it doesn't expire. Same with the Air Force. That being said, each installation can be different in their rules...............rememeber the CO owns the base.
Second, Taking an experienced course every couple of years can not hurt. I have had a termendous amount of people go thru these classes who have come back and said they learned/relearnedsomething valuable............Isn't that the point???????? and the darn class is free............
Third, There is a new instruction coming out soon that will require ALL services to train/retrain riders every 3 years. No questions asked.................
Now the question you asking: WHY:..............answer.............
go to any of the services safety centers websites and just take a quick look at the stats of motorcycle fatalities...........the DOD is losing more people on motorcycleseach month than a typical bad week or two in the war zone...................
Honestly, when you read the quicksummary of the reports we continue to see the same thing.........speeding.........drinking..........u nder 26 or over 35...........too much bikeand lack of experience.............or E-5 or -7....hitting guardrail..........................
you get my point>>>>>>>>>>>& gt;>
is the MSF class the answer? Yes and no...........we give you the tools in both classes to become a safe rider.......think back when you went thru >>>>>>>>what were the major topics of discussion?
safety/ riding smart/ PPE........................
It is still the rider who makes the decision to pull the throttle back or weave in traffic..............unfortuntely these decisions have deadly consequences....................and we continue to lose fine american troops...not to war.....but to the road/poles/guardrails of the highways...........
lastly.................anyone who tells me that can't learn something on their bike by going thru the class or just having a fun day out with the boys is a liar......................and your probably going to become a stat..............
I learn from my mistakes every time I get off my bike...........some people do not get a second chance.....................
ok ............I'll chime in on this one..........
First off let me say I work as the safety manager at NAS Pensacola and involved almost daily with Motorcycle questions.
I am also retired Air Force so I can give another viewpoint from that side of the house. Also I am a certified MSF Rider Coach for Florida.
First, In the Navy their is no time limit on the rider course you take..........it doesn't expire. Same with the Air Force. That being said, each installation can be different in their rules...............rememeber the CO owns the base.
Second, Taking an experienced course every couple of years can not hurt. I have had a termendous amount of people go thru these classes who have come back and said they learned/relearnedsomething valuable............Isn't that the point???????? and the darn class is free............
Third, There is a new instruction coming out soon that will require ALL services to train/retrain riders every 3 years. No questions asked.................
Now the question you asking: WHY:..............answer.............
go to any of the services safety centers websites and just take a quick look at the stats of motorcycle fatalities...........the DOD is losing more people on motorcycleseach month than a typical bad week or two in the war zone...................
Honestly, when you read the quicksummary of the reports we continue to see the same thing.........speeding.........drinking..........u nder 26 or over 35...........too much bikeand lack of experience.............or E-5 or -7....hitting guardrail..........................
you get my point>>>>>>>>>>>& gt;>
is the MSF class the answer? Yes and no...........we give you the tools in both classes to become a safe rider.......think back when you went thru >>>>>>>>what were the major topics of discussion?
safety/ riding smart/ PPE........................
It is still the rider who makes the decision to pull the throttle back or weave in traffic..............unfortuntely these decisions have deadly consequences....................and we continue to lose fine american troops...not to war.....but to the road/poles/guardrails of the highways...........
lastly.................anyone who tells me that can't learn something on their bike by going thru the class or just having a fun day out with the boys is a liar......................and your probably going to become a stat..............
I learn from my mistakes every time I get off my bike...........some people do not get a second chance.....................
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RE: base decals??????????
Thanks for the info, Icalled the number in the article and the guy said that as a Retiree the course is free.I thought I was gonna have to pay so I was not going to do it, I have a call in to sign up for the next class. Thanks again for theinfo.
ORIGINAL: 07RoadGlide
so165, found this in a previous edition of the Courier. http://www.fortcampbellcourier.com/a...ews/news14.txtDoesn't state anything about being 5 years current, but who knows what local reg supplements they've passed. I'm originally from Clarksville, which is why I knew where to go to find this info. Good luck iether way!
so165, found this in a previous edition of the Courier. http://www.fortcampbellcourier.com/a...ews/news14.txtDoesn't state anything about being 5 years current, but who knows what local reg supplements they've passed. I'm originally from Clarksville, which is why I knew where to go to find this info. Good luck iether way!
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RE: base decals??????????
ORIGINAL: 07RoadGlide
DoD reg 6055.4 http://www.js.pentagon.mil/whs/direc...df/605504p.pdfjust says you have to complete the course. Maybe the Army or Ft. Campbell has a more restrictive supplement? I've been in the Air Force 16 1/2 years and have had 5 different PCS's and I've only had to take the course one time.
DoD reg 6055.4 http://www.js.pentagon.mil/whs/direc...df/605504p.pdfjust says you have to complete the course. Maybe the Army or Ft. Campbell has a more restrictive supplement? I've been in the Air Force 16 1/2 years and have had 5 different PCS's and I've only had to take the course one time.
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Ok, stay focus.
Here at the Military Center of the Universe, Fort Bragg, N.C. the MSF safety course is free and they certify you Skills Practice Riders Course and Skills Plus Riders Course. Once you get the card it is good to go with no expiration. The post Decals aregood as long as they are not faded or damaged.
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RE: base decals??????????
I can understand the need to train new riders, but no course is gona make a difference when someone wants to slam a 6 pack then go for a ride. The same with teasing the grim reaper.
The ERC is simple enough. If ya been riding for a few months or more, you should be able to go through that course easily. On the other hand, when a troop shows up at the course with a smaller bike than what he normally rides, the bells should sound. I would think the bike should be part of the qualification course and be noted on the ERC card as being the bike that the rider qualified on.
I think the requirement for a reflector vest is a bit over the top though. Geez, if a driver can't see a motorcycle, he certainly isn's going to see the rider with a vest, especially if its a full sized bagger with fairing and tour pac. I think a little to much arm chair theory is going on in the safety managers office. Ahhhhh, but the general says, "great job guys" so it must be good, huh?
The ERC is simple enough. If ya been riding for a few months or more, you should be able to go through that course easily. On the other hand, when a troop shows up at the course with a smaller bike than what he normally rides, the bells should sound. I would think the bike should be part of the qualification course and be noted on the ERC card as being the bike that the rider qualified on.
I think the requirement for a reflector vest is a bit over the top though. Geez, if a driver can't see a motorcycle, he certainly isn's going to see the rider with a vest, especially if its a full sized bagger with fairing and tour pac. I think a little to much arm chair theory is going on in the safety managers office. Ahhhhh, but the general says, "great job guys" so it must be good, huh?
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From: pensacola, fl
RE: base decals??????????
ORIGINAL: EasternSP
I can understand the need to train new riders, but no course is gona make a difference when someone wants to slam a 6 pack then go for a ride. The same with teasing the grim reaper.
The ERC is simple enough. If ya been riding for a few months or more, you should be able to go through that course easily. On the other hand, when a troop shows up at the course with a smaller bike than what he normally rides, the bells should sound. I would think the bike should be part of the qualification course and be noted on the ERC card as being the bike that the rider qualified on.
I think the requirement for a reflector vest is a bit over the top though. Geez, if a driver can't see a motorcycle, he certainly isn's going to see the rider with a vest, especially if its a full sized bagger with fairing and tour pac. I think a little to much arm chair theory is going on in the safety managers office. Ahhhhh, but the general says, "great job guys" so it must be good, huh?
I can understand the need to train new riders, but no course is gona make a difference when someone wants to slam a 6 pack then go for a ride. The same with teasing the grim reaper.
The ERC is simple enough. If ya been riding for a few months or more, you should be able to go through that course easily. On the other hand, when a troop shows up at the course with a smaller bike than what he normally rides, the bells should sound. I would think the bike should be part of the qualification course and be noted on the ERC card as being the bike that the rider qualified on.
I think the requirement for a reflector vest is a bit over the top though. Geez, if a driver can't see a motorcycle, he certainly isn's going to see the rider with a vest, especially if its a full sized bagger with fairing and tour pac. I think a little to much arm chair theory is going on in the safety managers office. Ahhhhh, but the general says, "great job guys" so it must be good, huh?
drinking a 6 pack is a decision made by the rider............if he/she goes and rides after that they must accept the consequences....the problem with that is wrecking on 2 wheels isthe results are 99% worse than in a car...........again.....you can not stop people frommaking poor decisions...........the ERC is a good course and quite simple for people who have ridden for a while....no question............
Trust me I am anti vest also and have no idea who came up with that one.............but let me make it clear....it was not the safety managers sitting in their offices..................all policies come down from the boneheads in DC who sit around coming up with these great ideas..................we just get stucktrying to enforce it................
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RE: base decals??????????
I am dumbfounded at the moment, I just tried to set up my course and I was told that because I am Retired Navy and not Army that I can not take the free course on the base. I have never heard of anything like that, I guess I cant use any other facility like the hospital or exchange, I am pissed, I better stop cause my blood pressure is going up.