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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 12:25 PM
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There have been several articules hinting at speedo failures and electronics failing from using key switch to kill the bike instead of the kill switch. Also the articules stated that they recommended that the key be turned on and then the kill switch to start the bike. I normally turn the key on let ecm ramp up then turn on kill switch and listen to the fuel pump ramp up then hit the starter switch. I don't really know if it makes a difference but I will continue this till something smarter comes along.
On my 02 Wide Glide, everytime I used the ignition to kill the bike, the next time I started it the speedo would only go up to about ten miles per hour no matter what speed I was going. I would have to stop and kill the bike with the kill switch, cycle the ignition switch two or three times & then start back up. After that, all would work fine. Never had the problem as long as I used the kill switch first. Dealer had no explaination. Weird.
Back in 99 when I bought my first fuel injected Harley that is exactly what the salesman told mecould happen. He said to turn on the ignition switch, let the bike run through it's self-check (until red key dummy light goes out), then turn the OFF/RUNswitch to the 'run' position until the fuel pumpstops (yellowfuel pump dummy light goes out), then hit the 'start' button and off ya go. When stopping, turn off the bike by flipping the OFF/RUN switch to the 'off' position and then turn off the ignition switch. Notice I called it OFF/RUN switch, not KILL switch. Been doing it that way ever since with absolutely NO problems.
 
Old Mar 7, 2008 | 12:29 PM
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There have been several articules hinting at speedo failures and electronics failing from using key switch to kill the bike instead of the kill switch. Also the articules stated that they recommended that the key be turned on and then the kill switch to start the bike. I normally turn the key on let ecm ramp up then turn on kill switch and listen to the fuel pump ramp up then hit the starter switch. I don't really know if it makes a difference but I will continue this till something smarter comes along.
On my 02 Wide Glide, everytime I used the ignition to kill the bike, the next time I started it the speedo would only go up to about ten miles per hour no matter what speed I was going. I would have to stop and kill the bike with the kill switch, cycle the ignition switch two or three times & then start back up. After that, all would work fine. Never had the problem as long as I used the kill switch first. Dealer had no explaination. Weird.
Back in 99 when I bought my first fuel injected Harley that is exactly what the salesman told mecould happen. He said to turn on the ignition switch, let the bike run through it's self-check (until red key dummy light goes out), then turn the OFF/RUNswitch to the 'run' position until the fuel pumpstops (yellowfuel pump dummy light goes out), then hit the 'start' button and off ya go. When stopping, turn off the bike by flipping the OFF/RUN switch to the 'off' position and then turn off the ignition switch. Notice I called it OFF/RUN switch, not KILL switch. Been doing it that way ever since with absolutely NO problems.
Look at it like you're shutting your computer down, which is pretty much what modern bike electronics are. You don't just turn the 'puter off, you shut down the operating system, then turn the power off.
 
Old Mar 7, 2008 | 12:38 PM
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Just don'tconfuse the kill switch with the right turn signal........
Don't ask me how I know
LOL!!

Whoa, nerves of steel! Calmness in the face of danger! When going down you still have the presence of mind to courteously signal which way she's tipping! [sm=smiley2.gif]
 
Old Mar 7, 2008 | 12:54 PM
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Look at it like you're shutting your computer down, which is pretty much what modern bike electronics are. You don't just turn the 'puter off, you shut down the operating system, then turn the power off.
Well put Skip. [sm=signs007.gif]
 
Old Mar 7, 2008 | 01:05 PM
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There have been several articules hinting at speedo failures and electronics failing from using key switch to kill the bike instead of the kill switch. Also the articules stated that they recommended that the key be turned on and then the kill switch to start the bike. I normally turn the key on let ecm ramp up then turn on kill switch and listen to the fuel pump ramp up then hit the starter switch. I don't really know if it makes a difference but I will continue this till something smarter comes along.
When I got my bike back in April, they told me to start it by turning the key on, switching the Kill Switch on and then hitting the start button. To turn it off, Kill Switch then key off. I just never questioned it, figuring they had a good reason for doing it that way... so thats the way I do it.

 
Old Mar 7, 2008 | 01:31 PM
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There have been several articules hinting at speedo failures and electronics failing from using key switch to kill the bike instead of the kill switch. Also the articules stated that they recommended that the key be turned on and then the kill switch to start the bike. I normally turn the key on let ecm ramp up then turn on kill switch and listen to the fuel pump ramp up then hit the starter switch. I don't really know if it makes a difference but I will continue this till something smarter comes along.
On my 02 Wide Glide, everytime I used the ignition to kill the bike, the next time I started it the speedo would only go up to about ten miles per hour no matter what speed I was going. I would have to stop and kill the bike with the kill switch, cycle the ignition switch two or three times & then start back up. After that, all would work fine. Never had the problem as long as I used the kill switch first. Dealer had no explaination. Weird.
Back in 99 when I bought my first fuel injected Harley that is exactly what the salesman told mecould happen. He said to turn on the ignition switch, let the bike run through it's self-check (until red key dummy light goes out), then turn the OFF/RUNswitch to the 'run' position until the fuel pumpstops (yellowfuel pump dummy light goes out), then hit the 'start' button and off ya go. When stopping, turn off the bike by flipping the OFF/RUN switch to the 'off' position and then turn off the ignition switch. Notice I called it OFF/RUN switch, not KILL switch. Been doing it that way ever since with absolutely NO problems.
Look at it like you're shutting your computer down, which is pretty much what modern bike electronics are. You don't just turn the 'puter off, you shut down the operating system, then turn the power off.
Sounds good in theory but has two flaws. First the ecm is a flash card so it requiresno head parking. Secondly while playing with my Tmax the other day, power to it can be shut off with either the run switch or the key switch. The ecm won't link unless both are on. Turning power off has the same effect on it either way you choose. I only use the run switch for awkward situations where I need the front brake on for parking and want to leave it in gear.
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 02:22 PM
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On the post-sale walk through of my 06 RK last summer, they told me to shut it down with the kill switch, it cuts power to the fuel pump, therefore the fuel system will be depressurized while it sits.

Who knows, thats what I heard???
 
Old Mar 7, 2008 | 02:48 PM
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Look at it like you're shutting your computer down, which is pretty much what modern bike electronics are. You don't just turn the 'puter off, you shut down the operating system, then turn the power off.
Bill Gates requires me toclick on the Start button to turn my computer off.
 
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 02:59 PM
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Bill Gates requires me toclick on the Start button to turn my computer off.
OR, you can press control/alt/delete.
On a motorcycle that would be horn/off button/ignitionswitch. [sm=icon_rofl.gif]
 
Old Mar 7, 2008 | 03:15 PM
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I only use my kill switch when parking on an incline and leave the motorcycle in gear. That way if the kill switch is in the off position I know I need to hold the clutch in when starting. I hit the starter button one time with the bike in gear and if it wasn't sitting on the jiffy stand I know it would have gone over.
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