MSF Safety Course help.....
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From: SW Minnesota
RE: MSF Safety Course help.....
I hope you don't take any advice from anyone who thinks any safety course is useless.....
That said, in six years of teaching over 100 classes, I can honestly tell you that I never had any student say they didn't learn something, or have a bad habit corrected by proper instruction. I have, however, often read comments like those posted here by those who said courses were useless or they didn't learn anything.
Some of the "worst" students were those with lots of experience, but bad habits. They had to unlearn the bad habits first, before created new habits the correct way. Don't be surprised if your son rides circles around you by the end of the class.
Instructors often have lots of fun putting those who think they know it all at the head of the line when conducting a new excercise. It helps entertain the rest of the class
The excercises that experienced riders found most useful were usually proper emergency braking on a curve, to prevent low-siding or high siding, and the emergency swerve techniques.
That said, in six years of teaching over 100 classes, I can honestly tell you that I never had any student say they didn't learn something, or have a bad habit corrected by proper instruction. I have, however, often read comments like those posted here by those who said courses were useless or they didn't learn anything.
Some of the "worst" students were those with lots of experience, but bad habits. They had to unlearn the bad habits first, before created new habits the correct way. Don't be surprised if your son rides circles around you by the end of the class.
Instructors often have lots of fun putting those who think they know it all at the head of the line when conducting a new excercise. It helps entertain the rest of the class
The excercises that experienced riders found most useful were usually proper emergency braking on a curve, to prevent low-siding or high siding, and the emergency swerve techniques.
Cruiser
Joined: Apr 2008
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From: Simi Valley CA
RE: MSF Safety Course help.....
Take it with your son, he's 19 and wants to spend time with you.
also you should now qualify for the insurance discount.
A little side note. If you join the honda rider club (i know I know you ride a harley, some of us have dirt bikes) for like $30, they give you a coupon for a $75 rebate of the cost of the course.
also you should now qualify for the insurance discount.
A little side note. If you join the honda rider club (i know I know you ride a harley, some of us have dirt bikes) for like $30, they give you a coupon for a $75 rebate of the cost of the course.
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From: SoCal
RE: MSF Safety Course help.....
ORIGINAL: MNPGRider
I hope you don't take any advice from anyone who thinks any safety course is useless.....
That said, in six years of teaching over 100 classes, I can honestly tell you that I never had any student say they didn't learn something, or have a bad habit corrected by proper instruction. I have, however, often read comments like those posted here by those who said courses were useless or they didn't learn anything.
Some of the "worst" students were those with lots of experience, but bad habits. They had to unlearn the bad habits first, before created new habits the correct way. Don't be surprised if your son rides circles around you by the end of the class.
Instructors often have lots of fun putting those who think they know it all at the head of the line when conducting a new excercise. It helps entertain the rest of the class
The excercises that experienced riders found most useful were usually proper emergency braking on a curve, to prevent low-siding or high siding, and the emergency swerve techniques.
I hope you don't take any advice from anyone who thinks any safety course is useless.....
That said, in six years of teaching over 100 classes, I can honestly tell you that I never had any student say they didn't learn something, or have a bad habit corrected by proper instruction. I have, however, often read comments like those posted here by those who said courses were useless or they didn't learn anything.
Some of the "worst" students were those with lots of experience, but bad habits. They had to unlearn the bad habits first, before created new habits the correct way. Don't be surprised if your son rides circles around you by the end of the class.
Instructors often have lots of fun putting those who think they know it all at the head of the line when conducting a new excercise. It helps entertain the rest of the class
The excercises that experienced riders found most useful were usually proper emergency braking on a curve, to prevent low-siding or high siding, and the emergency swerve techniques.
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From: Oregon
RE: MSF Safety Course help.....
ORIGINAL: MNPGRider
I hope you don't take any advice from anyone who thinks any safety course is useless.....
That said, in six years of teaching over 100 classes, I can honestly tell you that I never had any student say they didn't learn something, or have a bad habit corrected by proper instruction. I have, however, often read comments like those posted here by those who said courses were useless or they didn't learn anything.
Some of the "worst" students were those with lots of experience, but bad habits. They had to unlearn the bad habits first, before created new habits the correct way. Don't be surprised if your son rides circles around you by the end of the class.
Instructors often have lots of fun putting those who think they know it all at the head of the line when conducting a new excercise. It helps entertain the rest of the class
The excercises that experienced riders found most useful were usually proper emergency braking on a curve, to prevent low-siding or high siding, and the emergency swerve techniques.
I hope you don't take any advice from anyone who thinks any safety course is useless.....
That said, in six years of teaching over 100 classes, I can honestly tell you that I never had any student say they didn't learn something, or have a bad habit corrected by proper instruction. I have, however, often read comments like those posted here by those who said courses were useless or they didn't learn anything.
Some of the "worst" students were those with lots of experience, but bad habits. They had to unlearn the bad habits first, before created new habits the correct way. Don't be surprised if your son rides circles around you by the end of the class.
Instructors often have lots of fun putting those who think they know it all at the head of the line when conducting a new excercise. It helps entertain the rest of the class
The excercises that experienced riders found most useful were usually proper emergency braking on a curve, to prevent low-siding or high siding, and the emergency swerve techniques.
My wife had no habits at all and aced the courses kicking azz on the experienced men. It's great training that could save lives, no kidding.
PS My wife took the intermediate on the Deuce while those men were on 250cc school bikes trying to just pass. Hilarious, lmao.
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From: SoCal
RE: MSF Safety Course help.....
ORIGINAL: MNPGRider
Thanks, JB, I'm sure most people will be able to see the differences between the two "opinions," and which one makes more sense.
Thanks, JB, I'm sure most people will be able to see the differences between the two "opinions," and which one makes more sense.
Road Master
Joined: May 2008
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From: Birmingham, AL
RE: MSF Safety Course help.....
just my OPINION but I'd take the course with your son. You won't have many more oppotunities to share stuff like this with him. I had to take the course here in Michigan and even though I had ridden before I was married I hadn't been on a bike for over 20 years. I can't speak for anyone but myself and I can say it helped and I think a lot more about how I ride. When I was a kid I didn't give a **** but the MSF course did teach me to be a better rider.
Tourer
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From: Former Mosquito County Florida
RE: MSF Safety Course help.....
Great opportunity you've been given. TAKE IT. It will definitely be time well spent with your son and you'll be surprised what you will learn (and just not about riding).
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RE: MSF Safety Course help.....
you say you're an "experienced" rider.... but you didn't say how/if you were trained....
I'm an old fart.... back in the seventies, we opend a beer, pointed out the various controls, and said start kicking it.....That was "training" back in my day
Like MOST riders I survived, and I thought I was pretty savvy... well I WASN'T... I took the MSF class, and learned a lot about bike control... sure, the "duck walk" was useless, but even that gave you a "feel" forthe different bike. Don't be offended when I tell you this.... but the only way you can take the BRC and NOT learn something, is if you think you know it all already..... The people who like to show off their scars and say crap like "everything I need to know, I learned from my wrecks".... well thay usually don't know squat...and are dangerous
Take the Beginner's course.... keep an open mind...remember you're there to learn, they can't revoke your license should you fail (which you won't) you WILL have fun.... and it'll be a good father - son bonding
Next year... you both can take the advanced class together
I'm an old fart.... back in the seventies, we opend a beer, pointed out the various controls, and said start kicking it.....That was "training" back in my day
Like MOST riders I survived, and I thought I was pretty savvy... well I WASN'T... I took the MSF class, and learned a lot about bike control... sure, the "duck walk" was useless, but even that gave you a "feel" forthe different bike. Don't be offended when I tell you this.... but the only way you can take the BRC and NOT learn something, is if you think you know it all already..... The people who like to show off their scars and say crap like "everything I need to know, I learned from my wrecks".... well thay usually don't know squat...and are dangerous
Take the Beginner's course.... keep an open mind...remember you're there to learn, they can't revoke your license should you fail (which you won't) you WILL have fun.... and it'll be a good father - son bonding
Next year... you both can take the advanced class together
Tourer
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RE: MSF Safety Course help.....
I think the answer is simple...take the beginner MSF course with your son...you can always go back and do the ERC by yourself....ya still may learn some things in the BRC, but it will probably mean more to your son if you do it with him. I agree with some of the other posts that in my BRC class as well, some of worst riders were the experienced riders...although I did the BRC in the pouring down rain....what a wakeup!!