Mongols The END
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From: NE Philly
I'm assuming you will allow anyone to kick in your door without protecting yourself or your family. It's not about worshiping anyone or anything it's about preservation and what is right. You can't just kick someone's door into to their home and not expect them to protect themselves. The courts have ruled in cases that the homicide was justified because the person thought their lives were in danger.
Baka.... Listen, I get it, you don't like clubs or have a preconceived idea about clubs, whatever. Fact is, a man lost his life over what? A lousy search warrant?
This has nothing to do with clubs or club business. What's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. If you ever find yourself on the wrong end of the law you would swiftly find out how one sided the judicial system is.
This has nothing to do with clubs or club business. What's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. If you ever find yourself on the wrong end of the law you would swiftly find out how one sided the judicial system is.
Haole
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No knock warrants should be illegal. How was this guy supposed to know it was cops busting through his door and not some thug?? He should not be charged in the death of the cop. I don't care what else he may have done. If someone breaks through my door in the middle of the night hey will get met with the same fate
They are legal because the courts recognize that in some circumstances, evidence may be destroyed by the time officers enter a residence through the normal procedure (i.e., knock knock knock "Police with a warrant, open the door"..(pause) knock knock knock "Police with a warrant, open the door"..(pause) knock knock knock "Police with a warrant, open the door"... (pause) *door knocked down*)
What must happen during a no-knock warrant is that the officers should be clearly wearing marked clothing (big "POLICE" letters & badges) and be announcing themselves as police as they enter. It should happen as fast as possible, but they still have a responsibility to announce who they are AS they enter. And they have a responsibility to be very well trained and very competent in what they are doing to avoid unnecessary accidents.
It's a crappy situation to be in, both as a homeowner who is experiencing it, and as a cop who's going in. But sometimes that's just the way the cards are dealt.
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From: California
They are legal because the courts recognize that in some circumstances, evidence may be destroyed by the time officers enter a residence through the normal procedure (i.e., knock knock knock "Police with a warrant, open the door"..(pause) knock knock knock "Police with a warrant, open the door"..(pause) knock knock knock "Police with a warrant, open the door"... (pause) *door knocked down*)
What must happen during a no-knock warrant is that the officers should be clearly wearing marked clothing (big "POLICE" letters & badges) and be announcing themselves as police as they enter. It should happen as fast as possible, but they still have a responsibility to announce who they are AS they enter. And they have a responsibility to be very well trained and very competent in what they are doing to avoid unnecessary accidents.
It's a crappy situation to be in, both as a homeowner who is experiencing it, and as a cop who's going in. But sometimes that's just the way the cards are dealt.
What must happen during a no-knock warrant is that the officers should be clearly wearing marked clothing (big "POLICE" letters & badges) and be announcing themselves as police as they enter. It should happen as fast as possible, but they still have a responsibility to announce who they are AS they enter. And they have a responsibility to be very well trained and very competent in what they are doing to avoid unnecessary accidents.
It's a crappy situation to be in, both as a homeowner who is experiencing it, and as a cop who's going in. But sometimes that's just the way the cards are dealt.
I've never had a problem with police. I don't condone shooting cops, but at the same time, I'm with everyone else. If someone busts through my door in the middle of the night, especially because my kids are down a winding hall from my room, I'm coming around the corner with intent to kill. I know my wife and kids' size/shapes in the dark. Anybody else who didn't fit that description would immediately be targeted because at that point, they are the intruder.
But that's what everything boils down to. However, there are so many dynamics in that situation that come into play. For instance, the lighting in the house...would you be able to see any police markings in the dark? Is it possible burglars obtained police uniforms/lookalikes? Are they announcing they are police? Can burglars announce they are police? Did some drunk person mistake my house for someone else's? Etc...
I get that evidence may be destroyed in the time it took to enter a house, but putting everyone in that situation isn't good for anybody. Law abiding citizens will be criminalized and police will be put in harms way unnecessarily. Just a bad spot to be in on both sides...
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From: NE Philly
@ oldskewl
I'll repeat what I just said in another thread and on here many times. I have nothing against clubs or patch wearers. It's those on this forum that worship them like they're god-like mythical creatures I have issues with.
As for anyone that infringes on my rights or property? I will protect them with my life if I have to.
I'll repeat what I just said in another thread and on here many times. I have nothing against clubs or patch wearers. It's those on this forum that worship them like they're god-like mythical creatures I have issues with.
As for anyone that infringes on my rights or property? I will protect them with my life if I have to.
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What must happen during a no-knock warrant is that the officers should be clearly wearing marked clothing (big "POLICE" letters & badges) and be announcing themselves as police as they enter. It should happen as fast as possible, but they still have a responsibility to announce who they are AS they enter. And they have a responsibility to be very well trained and very competent in what they are doing to avoid unnecessary accidents.
What must happen during a no-knock warrant is that the officers should be clearly wearing marked clothing (big "POLICE" letters & badges) and be announcing themselves as police as they enter. It should happen as fast as possible, but they still have a responsibility to announce who they are AS they enter. And they have a responsibility to be very well trained and very competent in what they are doing to avoid unnecessary accidents.
except that is the new norm in home invasions. criminals are wearing shirts that say police, doing forced entry and then robbing/assaulting/raping and tormenting the homeowners.
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From: Puget Sound, WA.
http://www.columbian.com/news/2013/d...d-home-invasi/
http://www.fox16.com/news/local/stor...w.cspx?rss=315
Two of the men were wearing T-shirts with "POLICE." The third had on a fake badge.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...KrF_story.html
http://news.arlingtonva.us/crime-rep...24-2012-229703
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_impersonation
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/29/us...anted=all&_r=0
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...vasion-robbery
http://www.goldbergdevilliers.co.za/....asp?NewsID=87
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http://nypost.com/2013/01/11/bronx-f...se-plate-feds/
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From: San Dimas
They are legal because the courts recognize that in some circumstances, evidence may be destroyed by the time officers enter a residence through the normal procedure (i.e., knock knock knock "Police with a warrant, open the door"..(pause) knock knock knock "Police with a warrant, open the door"..(pause) knock knock knock "Police with a warrant, open the door"... (pause) *door knocked down*)
What must happen during a no-knock warrant is that the officers should be clearly wearing marked clothing (big "POLICE" letters & badges) and be announcing themselves as police as they enter. It should happen as fast as possible, but they still have a responsibility to announce who they are AS they enter. And they have a responsibility to be very well trained and very competent in what they are doing to avoid unnecessary accidents.
It's a crappy situation to be in, both as a homeowner who is experiencing it, and as a cop who's going in. But sometimes that's just the way the cards are dealt.
What must happen during a no-knock warrant is that the officers should be clearly wearing marked clothing (big "POLICE" letters & badges) and be announcing themselves as police as they enter. It should happen as fast as possible, but they still have a responsibility to announce who they are AS they enter. And they have a responsibility to be very well trained and very competent in what they are doing to avoid unnecessary accidents.
It's a crappy situation to be in, both as a homeowner who is experiencing it, and as a cop who's going in. But sometimes that's just the way the cards are dealt.
What a waste of a good Cop.