Mongols The END
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To the "good guys": end no knock raids. if you are not capable of catching a crook when they leave their house, or not able to serve a legal warrant w/o acting like you are the SEALS, quit your job and do the public a favor. People are growing sick & tired of the thuggery and mistakes.
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To the "good guys": end no knock raids. if you are not capable of catching a crook when they leave their house, or not able to serve a legal warrant w/o acting like you are the SEALS, quit your job and do the public a favor. People are growing sick & tired of the thuggery and mistakes.
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So, it's "for their own good," eh? Why was it necessary? Would a couple minutes have allowed him to destroy the type of evidence they were after? Does his particular gang have a history of violence towards law enforcement? NOBODY made it necessary. And a good officer paid a dear price. There IS NO REASON that it had to go down that way. Knock on the door, serve the warrant. If the Alpha Hotel decides to barricade, then the rules change. But, as someone else stated, there are too many departmental heads wanting to run their orgs like military tactical teams instead of civilian law enforcement...
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No knock warrants are very difficult to obtain. Judges don't just hand them out without real justification. I've applied for them over the years and had several denied.
I'm not saying they aren't dangerous for all involved, on both sides of the door. I'm saying that there are circumstances where they are the safest alternative.
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God forbid the police are armed at least as well as the criminals, can't have that!
No knock warrants are very difficult to obtain. Judges don't just hand them out without real justification. I've applied for them over the years and had several denied.
I'm not saying they aren't dangerous for all involved, on both sides of the door. I'm saying that there are circumstances where they are the safest alternative.
No knock warrants are very difficult to obtain. Judges don't just hand them out without real justification. I've applied for them over the years and had several denied.
I'm not saying they aren't dangerous for all involved, on both sides of the door. I'm saying that there are circumstances where they are the safest alternative.
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To the "good guys": end no knock raids. if you are not capable of catching a crook when they leave their house, or not able to serve a legal warrant w/o acting like you are the SEALS, quit your job and do the public a favor. People are growing sick & tired of the thuggery and mistakes.
Originally Posted by stro1965
Tell that to the "bad guys" who make it necessary in the first place.
I thought that Jake made a very good point, and it does raise the question: what situations justify the execution of a "no-knock" warrant?
I don't hate cops, and I'm not trying to be a wise *** here, I'd just like to know why you think it's better to bust down someone's door, and possibly find yourself in close quarters battle with a dangerous guy, in an unfamiliar home, with unknown weapons at his disposal, rather than to take this guy out in the open where YOU control the terrain, and have the tactical advantage. Out in the open, the bad guy has no cover/concealment, and is limited to any weapons he might have on his person. You go busting into someone's house, and the ONLY advantage you might have is the element of surprise. If your element of surprise is blown for whatever reason, and the bad guy is well armed and barricaded, you blue boys are in for a world of hurt. Not worth the risk, IMHO.
Secondly, the argument to preserve evidence is weak at best to justify the execution of a "no knock", IMHO. Nobody's life is worth some dope/money/or guns that the DA intends to use as evidence. A normal search warrant is sufficient in this case.
This is just my opinion as a law abiding citizen that has witnessed some outrageous abuses of power by law enforcement. Too many innocent civilians have lost their lives to these tactics, and for what? Again, not worth it IMHO.
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You're wasting your time here...lots of folks on this board are cop haters for no other reason than they think it's cool to be...they worship the 1%ers and hate y'all subconsciously thinking that makes them more like their heros...most of these guys don't know the difference between a biker and a Hogger and lots think they are one in the same...
What you don't know is greater than you do know.
We are all bound by the constitution and bill of right without exception.
There is no legal or constitutional grounds for no-knock warrants- ever!
The 4th amendment no longer applies for the whole of the citizens because of a few?
Can't take pictures/videos of law enforcement doing what WE pay them for?
The list goes on-
BTW-I got nine years in military law enforcement including counter-terrorism/special weapons and tactics-don't assume you know me.
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So they should show a valid department issued photo ID at the door, just prior to, or just after tossing the stun grenade?
Tell ya what...if someone shoots a uniformed, clearly identifiable police officer and tries that defense he'll fry. I'm not talking about shooting someone he can't see because of darkness or smoke, I'm talking about shooting someone he CAN see, who is clearly wearing a police uniform, and then telling the judge that he saw it but didn't believe it because his cousins brother-in-law heard of robbers wearing cop gear one time. Good luck.
Tell ya what...if someone shoots a uniformed, clearly identifiable police officer and tries that defense he'll fry. I'm not talking about shooting someone he can't see because of darkness or smoke, I'm talking about shooting someone he CAN see, who is clearly wearing a police uniform, and then telling the judge that he saw it but didn't believe it because his cousins brother-in-law heard of robbers wearing cop gear one time. Good luck.