Mongols The END
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Joined: Oct 2009
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From: San Quirino, Italy
What you don't know is greater than you do know.
We are all bound by the constitution and bill of right without exception.
There is no legal or constitutional grounds for no-knock warrants- ever!
The 4th amendment no longer applies for the whole of the citizens because of a few?
Can't take pictures/videos of law enforcement doing what WE pay them for?
The list goes on-
BTW-I got nine years in military law enforcement including counter-terrorism/special weapons and tactics-don't assume you know me.
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Joined: Jul 2013
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From: Houston, TX
God forbid the police are armed at least as well as the criminals, can't have that!
No knock warrants are very difficult to obtain. Judges don't just hand them out without real justification. I've applied for them over the years and had several denied.
I'm not saying they aren't dangerous for all involved, on both sides of the door. I'm saying that there are circumstances where they are the safest alternative.
No knock warrants are very difficult to obtain. Judges don't just hand them out without real justification. I've applied for them over the years and had several denied.
I'm not saying they aren't dangerous for all involved, on both sides of the door. I'm saying that there are circumstances where they are the safest alternative.
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Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,775
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From: Garrote, California
God forbid the police are armed at least as well as the criminals, can't have that!
No knock warrants are very difficult to obtain. Judges don't just hand them out without real justification. I've applied for them over the years and had several denied.
I'm not saying they aren't dangerous for all involved, on both sides of the door. I'm saying that there are circumstances where they are the safest alternative.
No knock warrants are very difficult to obtain. Judges don't just hand them out without real justification. I've applied for them over the years and had several denied.
I'm not saying they aren't dangerous for all involved, on both sides of the door. I'm saying that there are circumstances where they are the safest alternative.
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Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,602
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From: Bellevue, NE
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Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 3,751
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From: Here and now
God forbid the police are armed at least as well as the criminals, can't have that!
No knock warrants are very difficult to obtain. Judges don't just hand them out without real justification. I've applied for them over the years and had several denied.
I'm not saying they aren't dangerous for all involved, on both sides of the door. I'm saying that there are circumstances where they are the safest alternative.
No knock warrants are very difficult to obtain. Judges don't just hand them out without real justification. I've applied for them over the years and had several denied.
I'm not saying they aren't dangerous for all involved, on both sides of the door. I'm saying that there are circumstances where they are the safest alternative.
Last edited by dribble; Nov 5, 2014 at 10:00 AM.
Road Captain
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 593
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From: Linden, Virginia
This is thread is kinda like a 6 year long train wreck. I've been watching for 5 and can't look away. I can't look away because it bothers me...a lot. We all get stuck in an "us and them" mentality and go back and forth while those charged with overseeing these things (judges) don't have any skin in the game, neither do prosecutors. They are immune from liability. Don't get me started on informants but there again what do they have to lose. Those potentially on both sides of the door are very liable for their actions and have a great deal at stake. I know some think the Constitution is inconvenient but it's there for a reason. I believe a 'No Knock" warrant should only be used in exigent circumstances to save a life/lives. With the technology we have now these are way too risky for anything else. One person on either side of the door can turn the whole thing into a catastrophe. Crappy odds. Nothing personal but ring my doorbell or call me on my cell if you wanna talk to me. In my case if ya got a radar gun I give out probable cause daily 
Road Captain
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 717
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From: San Dimas
My point was that most of these folks are cop haters and have no reason to be. Most...you first sentence in your reply is dead on and anyone that thinks other of themselves is a fool...by the way, I have 21 years service and counting myself. Doesn't make me an expert...
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