Mongols The END
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From: Bellevue, NE
I don't doubt that it's a frightening experience, be they real or fake cops. But I still doubt that it's happened so often as to be ingrained in the back of everyone's mind.
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I think the point he was making is simply that "police" markings on clothing and shouting from the intruders is no guarantee that they are actual law enforcement officers. Genuine distrust for the authenticity of said "officers" is a valid argument.
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Tell ya what...if someone shoots a uniformed, clearly identifiable police officer and tries that defense he'll fry. I'm not talking about shooting someone he can't see because of darkness or smoke, I'm talking about shooting someone he CAN see, who is clearly wearing a police uniform, and then telling the judge that he saw it but didn't believe it because his cousins brother-in-law heard of robbers wearing cop gear one time. Good luck.
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So they should show a valid department issued photo ID at the door, just prior to, or just after tossing the stun grenade?
Tell ya what...if someone shoots a uniformed, clearly identifiable police officer and tries that defense he'll fry. I'm not talking about shooting someone he can't see because of darkness or smoke, I'm talking about shooting someone he CAN see, who is clearly wearing a police uniform, and then telling the judge that he saw it but didn't believe it because his cousins brother-in-law heard of robbers wearing cop gear one time. Good luck.
Tell ya what...if someone shoots a uniformed, clearly identifiable police officer and tries that defense he'll fry. I'm not talking about shooting someone he can't see because of darkness or smoke, I'm talking about shooting someone he CAN see, who is clearly wearing a police uniform, and then telling the judge that he saw it but didn't believe it because his cousins brother-in-law heard of robbers wearing cop gear one time. Good luck.
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I have some friends in Waco and when this went down they told me if they wanted to arrest David Koresh they could have done it any time he came to town,which was frequently. They were in that area a long time with no problems, untill the govt decided to incinerate them.
They make a waaay bigger deal out of the cops murdering some criminal in Ferguson,MO.
They make a waaay bigger deal out of the cops murdering some criminal in Ferguson,MO.
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X2. And don't change the circumstances under which the argument is being made. This is not broad daylight, on Main street we're discussing, but rather, 4 in the morning storming through your door BS. I'm not anti-Blue line (that would be hilariously hypocritical), but rather, anti-Storm Trooper tactics by police or civilian law enforcement. The cases cited above speak for themselves, as do the multitude of gone-wrong no-knocks....
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I am relaxed. No knocks go well 99% of the time guys.
You can continue to try to justify the Mongol shooting a cop if you'd like, I just refuse to buy into it. I hope he rots in prison.
You can continue to try to justify the Mongol shooting a cop if you'd like, I just refuse to buy into it. I hope he rots in prison.
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From: San Dimas
Evidence? Back up your figure. Even so, the argument isn't the success, or applauding a killer of any sort--its about the inherent violation. Much like stating that bank robberys are successful "99% of the time." Doesn't make it right.
