Serious patch question..
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Danny, just to curb your intense curiosity, I am a member of an LE MC. Being in LE, I do have contact with all types of society and have a clue as to what goes on. But, as you already know, I'm a "blowhard" and a "fake".
Since you respect what them just for what they go through to get their patch, do you respect what MS13 gang members do to be in the gang?
BTW... I do watch SOA with my wife every week. It's good entertainment.
Since you respect what them just for what they go through to get their patch, do you respect what MS13 gang members do to be in the gang?
BTW... I do watch SOA with my wife every week. It's good entertainment.
Then why didn't you say that to begin with? Maybe then people could understand why you feel the way you do. Did you have to prospect for your patch? Most LEOMCs don't have to. They are handed their patch once they show interest in participating. Or they have to buy it themselves.
As a member of a LEOMC, you must be familiar with your local COC, and what makes up that COC. Correct? Just so you know, it's the local COC's that make the rules for the motorcycling community where you are. Not just a dominant 1% club. The COC is made up of many organizations, 1% clubs, Vet clubs, LEO clubs, riding clubs, etc. Each has an equal voice concerning matters of who can wear what in that area. But, you already know all that, right? Or did you?
BTW, just because you are an LEOMC member, it doesn't mean that you have working knowledge of the goings on in a 1% MC and what they do. I've spent over 25 years in law enforcement. And there are more than one 1% clubs in my area. For some reason, nobody has ever told me what they do in their clubhouses.
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Then why didn't you say that to begin with? Maybe then people could understand why you feel the way you do. Did you have to prospect for your patch? Most LEOMCs don't have to. They are handed their patch once they show interest in participating. Or they have to buy it themselves.
As a member of a LEOMC, you must be familiar with your local COC, and what makes up that COC. Correct? Just so you know, it's the local COC's that make the rules for the motorcycling community where you are. Not just a dominant 1% club. The COC is made up of many organizations, 1% clubs, Vet clubs, LEO clubs, riding clubs, etc. Each has an equal voice concerning matters of who can wear what in that area. But, you already know all that, right? Or did you?
BTW, just because you are an LEOMC member, it doesn't mean that you have working knowledge of the goings on in a 1% MC and what they do. I've spent over 25 years in law enforcement. And there are more than one 1% clubs in my area. For some reason, nobody has ever told me what they do in their clubhouses.
As a member of a LEOMC, you must be familiar with your local COC, and what makes up that COC. Correct? Just so you know, it's the local COC's that make the rules for the motorcycling community where you are. Not just a dominant 1% club. The COC is made up of many organizations, 1% clubs, Vet clubs, LEO clubs, riding clubs, etc. Each has an equal voice concerning matters of who can wear what in that area. But, you already know all that, right? Or did you?
BTW, just because you are an LEOMC member, it doesn't mean that you have working knowledge of the goings on in a 1% MC and what they do. I've spent over 25 years in law enforcement. And there are more than one 1% clubs in my area. For some reason, nobody has ever told me what they do in their clubhouses.
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The partch in the origina post would be safe I'm sure but, there are a few M/C clubs that doesn't have to have an excuse for their action against anyone that is violating anything they dream up. If your wearing a home-made patch that could be using the wrong color, emblems or icons could get you in trouble just by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't believe I would want to be anyone that walks into a biker bar with a new patch just to gain recognition. If you frequent places that potentially are trouble, then be prepared to deal with it.
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Then why didn't you say that to begin with? Maybe then people could understand why you feel the way you do. Did you have to prospect for your patch? Most LEOMCs don't have to. They are handed their patch once they show interest in participating. Or they have to buy it themselves.
As a member of a LEOMC, you must be familiar with your local COC, and what makes up that COC. Correct? Just so you know, it's the local COC's that make the rules for the motorcycling community where you are. Not just a dominant 1% club. The COC is made up of many organizations, 1% clubs, Vet clubs, LEO clubs, riding clubs, etc. Each has an equal voice concerning matters of who can wear what in that area. But, you already know all that, right? Or did you?
BTW, just because you are an LEOMC member, it doesn't mean that you have working knowledge of the goings on in a 1% MC and what they do. I've spent over 25 years in law enforcement. And there are more than one 1% clubs in my area. For some reason, nobody has ever told me what they do in their clubhouses.
As a member of a LEOMC, you must be familiar with your local COC, and what makes up that COC. Correct? Just so you know, it's the local COC's that make the rules for the motorcycling community where you are. Not just a dominant 1% club. The COC is made up of many organizations, 1% clubs, Vet clubs, LEO clubs, riding clubs, etc. Each has an equal voice concerning matters of who can wear what in that area. But, you already know all that, right? Or did you?
BTW, just because you are an LEOMC member, it doesn't mean that you have working knowledge of the goings on in a 1% MC and what they do. I've spent over 25 years in law enforcement. And there are more than one 1% clubs in my area. For some reason, nobody has ever told me what they do in their clubhouses.
Yes, I'm familiar with the COC. You're right, I don't know what other clubs do in their clubhouse, but I do know who's in them and what they're about.
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Danny, I didn't mention it because I usually don't talk about work. No, we do not prospect. I was asked to come to one of the meetings to check it out. I'm always looking for more people to ride and network with, so I joined. Just a bunch of like minded guys doing something that we enjoy to do.
Yes, I'm familiar with the COC. You're right, I don't know what other clubs do in their clubhouse, but I do know who's in them and what they're about.
Yes, I'm familiar with the COC. You're right, I don't know what other clubs do in their clubhouse, but I do know who's in them and what they're about.
Well, now you know that they watch biker movies.
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From a societal and political perspective, looking over the long term, is that really the best strategy? You seem to pretty clearly be saying that law abiding citizens should conceded to thugs who stake a claim to a territory through fear and intimidation, and law abiding citizens should follow the laws as set forth by these groups.
I don't personally see this happening much with MC's, only what I read here or in the news, but I do see it happening in the city and suburbs of Chicago with street gangs. The results are not pretty. It gets really ugly very quickly. Then, the law abiding citizens are screaming for someone to help them fix it. The same law abiding citizens who conceded to the thugs in the first place. The same law abiding citizens who never witnessed anything when the cops were trying to investigate a crime. The same law abiding citizens who are *positive* their sweet little future college grad isn't involved.
It seems to me, there are quite a few posters here advocating conceding to the law of the jungle, in the hopes they will then be safe. By choosing to not fight, you believe you are avoiding harm. You may very well be avoiding violence today, but, as is seen in Chicago and other cities, you're really just putting that violence off to a later time. The people who conceded to the street gangs now live in neighborhoods where getting killed in your house, in your yard, walking down the street, going to work or school... trying to live a normal life, is nearly a daily fact of life.
Compared to street gangs, MC's, don't seem as geared towards widespread violence. From what I see, most MC's live rather quietly among their communities, preferring to do their thing and be left alone, rather than attracting unwanted attention. Still, power corrupts, so, I'm not so sure conceding to the law as written by any given MC is the best idea over the long term.
I don't personally see this happening much with MC's, only what I read here or in the news, but I do see it happening in the city and suburbs of Chicago with street gangs. The results are not pretty. It gets really ugly very quickly. Then, the law abiding citizens are screaming for someone to help them fix it. The same law abiding citizens who conceded to the thugs in the first place. The same law abiding citizens who never witnessed anything when the cops were trying to investigate a crime. The same law abiding citizens who are *positive* their sweet little future college grad isn't involved.
It seems to me, there are quite a few posters here advocating conceding to the law of the jungle, in the hopes they will then be safe. By choosing to not fight, you believe you are avoiding harm. You may very well be avoiding violence today, but, as is seen in Chicago and other cities, you're really just putting that violence off to a later time. The people who conceded to the street gangs now live in neighborhoods where getting killed in your house, in your yard, walking down the street, going to work or school... trying to live a normal life, is nearly a daily fact of life.
Compared to street gangs, MC's, don't seem as geared towards widespread violence. From what I see, most MC's live rather quietly among their communities, preferring to do their thing and be left alone, rather than attracting unwanted attention. Still, power corrupts, so, I'm not so sure conceding to the law as written by any given MC is the best idea over the long term.