2007 Model changes????
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RE: 2007 Model changes????
Harley has to go all EFI on their bikes to get to the next step, which is going to be closed loop EFI systems (which means they will have an O2 sensor in the exhaust, the most common feedback device). The California Air Resources Board (CARB) is the strictest outfit in the country for emissions controls. They have new regulations in place for 2008 for motorcycles. Many of the other manufacturers are already compliant with these regs. And as California goes, so goes the rest of the country. You will see tighter emissions standards in other states in the next few years.
This will hurt the aftermarket pipe business as well, because you may not be able to do complete exhaust replacements, only "cat-back" systems or slip ons. But don't get discouraged. This opens the doors for companies to build performance cats just like they do for the aftermarket auto and truck industry. It will also bring about better running bikes. Closed loop systems are much better than the current systems. No more "is the right map loaded?".
This will hurt the aftermarket pipe business as well, because you may not be able to do complete exhaust replacements, only "cat-back" systems or slip ons. But don't get discouraged. This opens the doors for companies to build performance cats just like they do for the aftermarket auto and truck industry. It will also bring about better running bikes. Closed loop systems are much better than the current systems. No more "is the right map loaded?".
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RE: 2007 Model changes????
They're going to have a color other than black? Golllll-LEE!!! What won't they think of next?
I'm just thankful I got one that I don't have to screw around getting rid of the EFI, the reverse gear, the ABS, the chaindrive cams, the weak sprocket side crank bearing........
They need to think about what a Harley is, and what its heritage means, before they kill the goose that laid the golden egg. If the EPA is hurting Harley they need to lobby their many supporters in Congress to change whatever regs need to be changed- before they turn Harleys into a poor(?) man's version of a metric bike.
Sorry, kind of off topic.
I'm just thankful I got one that I don't have to screw around getting rid of the EFI, the reverse gear, the ABS, the chaindrive cams, the weak sprocket side crank bearing........
They need to think about what a Harley is, and what its heritage means, before they kill the goose that laid the golden egg. If the EPA is hurting Harley they need to lobby their many supporters in Congress to change whatever regs need to be changed- before they turn Harleys into a poor(?) man's version of a metric bike.
Sorry, kind of off topic.
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RE: 2007 Model changes????
mp, I understand your point and maybe what Harley needs to do is do what Triumph and Ducati are doing. Build some classic models, ones that look exactly like they looked in the 60's, carbs and all. Seems to be working well for them, I think it would work very well for Harley.
Then Harley can start putting the improvements into their bikes that are needed and mandated. When it comes to the EPA, there really isn't alot of lobbying that can be done. I'm amazed motorcycles have been exempt for this long, catalytic converters were mandated on cars in 1976. Its inevitable and Harley will have to deal with it just like every bike manufacturer, regardless of heritage.
Then Harley can start putting the improvements into their bikes that are needed and mandated. When it comes to the EPA, there really isn't alot of lobbying that can be done. I'm amazed motorcycles have been exempt for this long, catalytic converters were mandated on cars in 1976. Its inevitable and Harley will have to deal with it just like every bike manufacturer, regardless of heritage.
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Ala Carte'
Don't look for Harley to change their product approach..
I'm a good example of what they are targeting.
I'm mid 40s.
This is my first Harley.
I have a few bucks to spend.
I wanted an authentic "Harley Davidson", and not some customized pseudo chopper.
Their bike menu is set up to make two seperate sales. Motorcycle, and then accessories.
The national average of dealer installed accessories is a tad less than $3,000.00
The ala carte' thing is making them lots of money for the shareholders.
I spent 18K on the bike, and 10K on accessorie. I'm a little over the top, but that's how their marketing dept has dictated how their motorcycles will be equipped.
Colors are cheap and easy to change. Ever few years, change something for the better, like the 200mm rear tire.
Other than add another unnecessary gear, I don't expect them to do much more than over-hype small, un-earth shattering changes like they did with the Dyna line. Maybe a 95" for the baggers, but it will reflect in the price tag.
Don't look for Harley to change their product approach..
I'm a good example of what they are targeting.
I'm mid 40s.
This is my first Harley.
I have a few bucks to spend.
I wanted an authentic "Harley Davidson", and not some customized pseudo chopper.
Their bike menu is set up to make two seperate sales. Motorcycle, and then accessories.
The national average of dealer installed accessories is a tad less than $3,000.00
The ala carte' thing is making them lots of money for the shareholders.
I spent 18K on the bike, and 10K on accessorie. I'm a little over the top, but that's how their marketing dept has dictated how their motorcycles will be equipped.
Colors are cheap and easy to change. Ever few years, change something for the better, like the 200mm rear tire.
Other than add another unnecessary gear, I don't expect them to do much more than over-hype small, un-earth shattering changes like they did with the Dyna line. Maybe a 95" for the baggers, but it will reflect in the price tag.
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I couldn't find that combo on the HD site but I did see an Olive Pearl/Vivid Black at the dealership and I thought it looked AWESOME. [8D]
ORIGINAL: Bluerose
Not sure I can even imagine this combination: Olive Pearl/Vivid Black Burgundy/Bright Gold
Not sure I can even imagine this combination: Olive Pearl/Vivid Black Burgundy/Bright Gold
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Actually the EFI changes don't bother me as long as they keep a good exhaust note and aftermarket products are readily available.
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