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Old Feb 20, 2010 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Thundermug
Follow this advice can and will get you canned and you CAN"T sue because you read the rules, and probably signed an agreement (on the application) that said you'd follow the rules.

There are classes of discrimination...marital status, sex, race, religion....Hhhmmmm...I don't remember bikes being one of them
The classes of discrimination are examples and not all inclusive and only apply to Federal law, State law is something different and varies from State to State. A company can not dicatate what you are driving unless and only unless you are being paid while driving it or it is in some way company provided. They can not dictate what you drive to work. It was tried with the auto manufacturers in the 60's and 70's and after being sued they made employees who drove other brands park where their vehicle was not visible. You absolutely can sue for ANYTHING. Does not mean you will win the case. A company can have whatever policy it wants, does not mean it is legal, does not mean it will stand up in court. Companies depend on employees fear of losing their job to not buck the system. If you choose to ride you may be fired and if you choose to sue them you may win your case several months down the road and how do you pay your bills in the mean time? All things that must be considered. I am not saying you should or should not be taking any particular course of action, just be aware of the process and actions required. Me personally I would not work where they thought themselves important enough to try that kind of crap. Rest assured there will be other policies equally as intrusive. Employers are like people, some are good and smart, some are bad and stupid.
 

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Old Feb 20, 2010 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandcrab
OP says no bikes and new vehicles and 4 pages later, we don't know any more than we did 4 pages earlier.

So OP, what is the company, why the policy on bikes and late model cars?

Tell us that it is because you need to be available to go in any weather, any where, any time and arrive 100% of the time to do whatever it is that you do. Then we will know.
+1. Suspect there's more to this story than what we know now.

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Old Feb 20, 2010 | 08:21 AM
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+1. Suspect there's more to this story than what we know now.

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+2 there has to be more to the story.
 
Old Feb 20, 2010 | 08:27 AM
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OP says no bikes and new vehicles and 4 pages later, we don't know any more than we did 4 pages earlier.

So OP, what is the company, why the policy on bikes and late model cars?

Tell us that it is because you need to be available to go in any weather, any where, any time and arrive 100% of the time to do whatever it is that you do. Then we will know.
Factory i work at has motorcycle parking right next to the handicap at the front door.

I have seen jobs like the OP, but it is known going it. Usually its sales reps, or Field service jobs etc, where you are representing there company and out visiting customers all day and a bike just isn't going to get it in most case's to begin with because your either carring alot of tools for working on equipment or items to deliever or try to sale to the customer. My bet is its some type of job like that and most that i have looked into there was a car allowance so you were expected to drive nice vehicles and there were times when you would be talking clients out to lunch etc and bike just doesn't cut it in this type of work and that is probably why it states that in the hiring papers.
 
Old Feb 20, 2010 | 08:31 AM
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man if i was told i couldnt take my bike to work, and i mus thave a car at least 5 years old or newer i would tell the job to go fug themselves wit ha jackhammer dry.
go buy your self a nice duece or other military vehicle and brign that to work

my old boss told me i needed more reliable transportation cause my pick up was always blowing the transmission or the starter on it, told him if he dont liek my truck and wants me to have a new one then he can buy cause i aitn got the $$$ for it. the next week there was a 99 jeep cherokee 4x4 sittign in the lot he had bought he took my truck as a trade in and sold it i kept the cherokee LOL
 

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Old Feb 20, 2010 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tgshoe
The classes of discrimination are examples and not all inclusive and only apply to Federal law, State law is something different and varies from State to State. A company can not dicatate what you are driving unless and only unless you are being paid while driving it or it is in some way company provided. They can not dictate what you drive to work. It was tried with the auto manufacturers in the 60's and 70's and after being sued they made employees who drove other brands park where their vehicle was not visible. You absolutely can sue for ANYTHING. Does not mean you will win the case. A company can have whatever policy it wants, does not mean it is legal, does not mean it will stand up in court. Companies depend on employees fear of losing their job to not buck the system. If you choose to ride you may be fired and if you choose to sue them you may win your case several months down the road and how do you pay your bills in the mean time? All things that must be considered. I am not saying you should or should not be taking any particular course of action, just be aware of the process and actions required. Me personally I would not work where they thought themselves important enough to try that kind of crap. Rest assured there will be other policies equally as intrusive. Employers are like people, some are good and smart, some are bad and stupid.

It's this kind of attitude that not only gives our profession a bad name, but has screwed up this country beyond repair. Frivolous lawsuits used to intimidate and harass people (and businesses) into paying out settlements or giving in. That's why we have so many rules and regulations in the first damn place.

As others have said, a private company can have any rules they want, as long as they don't discriminate unlawfully. There's all kinds of lawful discrimination. That's why they have job applications and interviews.

An employer may not be able to dictate what you drive on public streets (I said may not, it's not so clear). But they sure as hell can tell you what you're going to park in their parking lot. Just like they call tell you what to wear. One very large company tells you that you have to use their accountants to prepare and file your tax returns. There's all kinds of rules out there, some would stun you, that are entirely legal.

The concept of protected classes is not just a list of "examples" applicable only to federal law. It is a constitutionally based set of classes. No state is required to go further. Some states do in some limited ways, but there is not one state in the country that says "what you drive" rises to the level of a protected category. Period. I'll stake my career on that proposition. I've been doing this for a long time.

New York -- where I practice -- has probably the most liberal (radical) employment laws in the country. That means the protected categories are expanded to include sexual preference and a few other things. That's it. You file a lawsuit here because you were fired for violating your employer's rules about what to drive to work, and the options are not "you may win, you may lose." The options are, "you may just lose, or you may lose and be required to pay the other side's legal fees for filing a frivolous lawsuit."

I think the rules in question suck. I hate crap like that. It's inconsistent with everything that I believe this country is about. But it is not unlawful.
 
Old Feb 20, 2010 | 08:55 AM
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I tend to agree with what Just a Guy said... I'm just glad I don't have to deal with it... I work for a national telecom company. They pay for our "branded" work clothing and in fact when they remodeled the construction garage I work out of, they turned a concrete tank storage pad that's inside our secured gate, into motorcycle parking since there are so many of us that ride...

To the OP, yea it sucks.. personally I'd be looking for a new job but with that said, I understand that finding a good job in the current economy isn't easy.. and sometimes, as much as it sucks, you gotta do what you gotta do.. good luck man...

Cheers

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Old Feb 20, 2010 | 08:57 AM
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To the OP, you do what YOU must. It's your job, it's you're life. "If", and this a BIG "if", It was me at this point in time, in MY life, I would tell that company to go to hell and find another job. But It is NOT me, and sometimes a person MUST do things that they absolutely hate to do. ............. What ever ya decide to do, best of luck to ya!
 
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Old Feb 20, 2010 | 09:11 AM
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All I have to say is WOW the arrogance of some people on this forum amazes me. There are plenty of reasons why a company will tell employees what and when they can drive certain vehicles, if you don't like the rules QUIT. The OP does not say what kind of job or company this is about or what his job is, but it is obvious to me that they have an image they want to up hold. If you can not up hold that image it is up to you to quit and find a job that fits not up to the company to change it's image to fit you. All of you jerks wanting to sue the company need to go work for your money instead of trying to steal it from those who do.
 
Old Feb 20, 2010 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Just-a-Guy
It's this kind of attitude that not only gives our profession a bad name, but has screwed up this country beyond repair. Frivolous lawsuits used to intimidate and harass people (and businesses) into paying out settlements or giving in. That's why we have so many rules and regulations in the first damn place.

As others have said, a private company can have any rules they want, as long as they don't discriminate unlawfully. There's all kinds of lawful discrimination. That's why they have job applications and interviews.

An employer may not be able to dictate what you drive on public streets (I said may not, it's not so clear). But they sure as hell can tell you what you're going to park in their parking lot. Just like they call tell you what to wear. One very large company tells you that you have to use their accountants to prepare and file your tax returns. There's all kinds of rules out there, some would stun you, that are entirely legal.

The concept of protected classes is not just a list of "examples" applicable only to federal law. It is a constitutionally based set of classes. No state is required to go further. Some states do in some limited ways, but there is not one state in the country that says "what you drive" rises to the level of a protected category. Period. I'll stake my career on that proposition. I've been doing this for a long time.

New York -- where I practice -- has probably the most liberal (radical) employment laws in the country. That means the protected categories are expanded to include sexual preference and a few other things. That's it. You file a lawsuit here because you were fired for violating your employer's rules about what to drive to work, and the options are not "you may win, you may lose." The options are, "you may just lose, or you may lose and be required to pay the other side's legal fees for filing a frivolous lawsuit."

I think the rules in question suck. I hate crap like that. It's inconsistent with everything that I believe this country is about. But it is not unlawful.
You jus' used a lot more "Big Gun" words than I woulda, but that's what I was gonna say.

Folx, they can tell you whether or not you can smoke a cigarette, AT HOME, or not.

My GUESS, and it's ONLY a guess, is that IF you track it all the way down, you are gonna find a 'discount' in their insurance policy, IF they eliminate motorcycles from the premises.
The year of the car is a bit bafflin'. That may also have to do with a "discount", because the cars would be new enough to have all the new "Safety" chit on 'em. Air bags, BLACK BOXES, etc.

They can require you to wear uniflorms, and BUY THEM.
Recently, I have heard of peeps having to PAY to process their apps.
Overweight ??? Try way higher ins premiums.
To which MANY on here would say, WELL, of course. They're at "higher" risk. JUS' like smokers.

Huh-hummm - Psst, motorcycles are considered DANGEROUS and RISKY by the VAST MAJORITY, including INSURANCE cos. And they're the ones "driving" these policies.
I believe, (may be way OFF base) smokers out number scooter tramps. I KNOW fat peeps out number scooter tramps.
See where THIS is going ???? Ins cos. have been trying for years, to 'exclude' motorcycle coverage from your health ins. and life ins.

STILL think it's a GOOD idea to go after smokers ???? Fat people ????
I DON'T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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