Judicial System Sucks
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[quote=outlaw0013;6319301]Just a little update to hit on some above points. The driver was talking on a cell phone at the time, no skid marks but no abs brakes either ( driving a pick up ). The only thing you could see was the front wheel of the bike from under the truck. Yes from what I hear her daddy has money.
I agree with MidnitEvil....A drivers license is issued after proving your competency to operate a motor vehicle safely on PUBLIC roads. Some people take this responsibility more seriously than others. She proved her lack of competency by never hitting the brakes while approaching an intersection with stopped traffic, because she was talking on the cell phone and not paying attention.
Tech23
There are no accidents. When a person gets behind the wheel, they are responsible for their actions, the same as a gun owner is responsible for their actions when handling a weapon. If someone you loved was careless with a gun and killed someone, would you expect the judicial system to let them slide with a slap on the wrist?
People should be held accountable for their actions and decisions, in ALL situations.
Yes, I would feel bad if someone I loved was responsible for causing someone else to die, either deliberately or through carelessness. I would feel bad that they were careless and now faced the consequences.
People should be held accountable for their actions and decisions, in ALL situations.
Yes, I would feel bad if someone I loved was responsible for causing someone else to die, either deliberately or through carelessness. I would feel bad that they were careless and now faced the consequences.
I agree with MidnitEvil....A drivers license is issued after proving your competency to operate a motor vehicle safely on PUBLIC roads. Some people take this responsibility more seriously than others. She proved her lack of competency by never hitting the brakes while approaching an intersection with stopped traffic, because she was talking on the cell phone and not paying attention.
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In Canada you get off easy for a violent crime, but could be hung for that. Unless you were an off duty cop( (whom was drunk), which happened recently.
He was one of the cops who murderd Robert Zoukanski at the Vancouver Airport, hit a motorcyclist and killed him while he was drunk and got off with a slap.
He was one of the cops who murderd Robert Zoukanski at the Vancouver Airport, hit a motorcyclist and killed him while he was drunk and got off with a slap.
Last edited by quentin2009; Feb 27, 2010 at 03:40 PM.
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[QUOTE=Tech23;6320727]
Sorry I was not aware of the cell phone thing or the details now available. I apologize for previous remarks. In my mind the cell phone deal changes everything.
Just a little update to hit on some above points. The driver was talking on a cell phone at the time, no skid marks but no abs brakes either ( driving a pick up ). The only thing you could see was the front wheel of the bike from under the truck. Yes from what I hear her daddy has money.
I agree with MidnitEvil....A drivers license is issued after proving your competency to operate a motor vehicle safely on PUBLIC roads. Some people take this responsibility more seriously than others. She proved her lack of competency by never hitting the brakes while approaching an intersection with stopped traffic, because she was talking on the cell phone and not paying attention.
Tech23
I agree with MidnitEvil....A drivers license is issued after proving your competency to operate a motor vehicle safely on PUBLIC roads. Some people take this responsibility more seriously than others. She proved her lack of competency by never hitting the brakes while approaching an intersection with stopped traffic, because she was talking on the cell phone and not paying attention.
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If she wasnt drunk, or doing anything else obviously stupid to create a case of criminal negligence....Sorry man for your loss and the family loss...It could have been that he was rear ended in a car in the same situation. Wouldnt change anything It wasnt intentional from what you have told us, and we have no info on this post about drunk,painting nails, eating, texting, using phone and IPOD all at the same time.....lets leave the cash settlement to his famiily and their attorneys. It wont bring him back , but it isnt like from what we know in this thread that it was on purpose or criminal. Just another case of I didnt see the motorcycle....or another lawsuit in the works, Wish I had a better answer than I am sorry to hear it.
If you accidentally read ended a guy in a car (easier to spot) and killed him and were sober, and all those trivial things that make a difference in determining fault and liability did not apply such as drunk, texting, drugs, so on so forth, would you think the same about it?
Does it make it justified? NO HELL NO. I am all for motorcycle awareness. Hell I am for driver awareness. I give every motorcyclist an area the size of a semi when I am in the cage, and am watching his back.
Again I do not know how some of these things happen but I think back to years ago before I gave a damn about me every being a motorcyclist...I am glad I was lucky enough to never hit one.
Again I am sorry for the family and the loss of your friend. I have been down the road and lost friends on bikes too.
I am sure she isnt happy about what happened....I dont know ONE woman who would ever get over killing an innocent man, on accident like that. I know if it was me and I was 18 and it happened to me....it would take a lot for me to get past it, and I would constantly be trying to help the victims family for years. I could never forgive myself.
If you accidentally read ended a guy in a car (easier to spot) and killed him and were sober, and all those trivial things that make a difference in determining fault and liability did not apply such as drunk, texting, drugs, so on so forth, would you think the same about it?
Does it make it justified? NO HELL NO. I am all for motorcycle awareness. Hell I am for driver awareness. I give every motorcyclist an area the size of a semi when I am in the cage, and am watching his back.
Again I do not know how some of these things happen but I think back to years ago before I gave a damn about me every being a motorcyclist...I am glad I was lucky enough to never hit one.
Again I am sorry for the family and the loss of your friend. I have been down the road and lost friends on bikes too.
I am sure she isnt happy about what happened....I dont know ONE woman who would ever get over killing an innocent man, on accident like that. I know if it was me and I was 18 and it happened to me....it would take a lot for me to get past it, and I would constantly be trying to help the victims family for years. I could never forgive myself.
I do have to agree with the above quote. As long as the driver was not up to no good and it was truly an accident. It was that, an accident.
I lost my sister a year ago to a driver. He swerved to miss a dog running out in the street and hit my sister head on. No drugs, no drinking. It was a heavy lose, but an accident. Of course lawyers and blah blah blah involved now, but I'm not out hunting this guy down like I wanted to. I had to come to grips with it was an accident and a sad one, but things like this happen.
As for the judge, I wouldnt want their job. Making heads and tails out of the BS lawyers spew in the courtrooms now a days is enough to make ya sick. There is a reason lady justice is blind folded she is sick of what a mockery lawyers have made of court rooms world wide. If we got rid of lawyers, this place would be better off to live in.
My 2 cents
First of all, condolences to you and your friend's family.
However, for those who think there should be mandatory prison time if a death is involved, have you ever been involved in a car accident where you were at fault? Know of a friend or family member who has? Was another car involved? What if instead of another car a bike was involved? Could have resulted in a death. Do you still think a mandatory prison sentence makes sense?
For that mater, why not have a mandatory prison sentence for all accidents that result in a death? How about hunting accidents?
Maybe as a group we can get politically active on issues like using cell phones while driving. Most states do not even have any laws on that at all.
However, for those who think there should be mandatory prison time if a death is involved, have you ever been involved in a car accident where you were at fault? Know of a friend or family member who has? Was another car involved? What if instead of another car a bike was involved? Could have resulted in a death. Do you still think a mandatory prison sentence makes sense?
For that mater, why not have a mandatory prison sentence for all accidents that result in a death? How about hunting accidents?
Maybe as a group we can get politically active on issues like using cell phones while driving. Most states do not even have any laws on that at all.
Last edited by mpinone; Feb 27, 2010 at 05:31 PM.
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[quote=Tech23;6320727]
Do you have any kids? Obviously not.
A lil 18 year old girl should go to jail for being stupid, and share a cell with the crack addict who robs people with guns? Lemme see here, maybe she'll learn from her cell mates and contribute to crime when she gets out?
As I had said in earlier threads: it just amazes me how quickly folks can ruin the lives of others from the comfort of their home on the internet!
"Lock her up!" "Throw away the key" "She ain't my daughter!".
Judges are paid to make decisions. They are trained for that.
I am so grateful they don't let internet commandos make these decisions! He he!
A few of you guys are so full of chit it is unbelievable.
Just a little update to hit on some above points. The driver was talking on a cell phone at the time, no skid marks but no abs brakes either ( driving a pick up ). The only thing you could see was the front wheel of the bike from under the truck. Yes from what I hear her daddy has money.
I agree with MidnitEvil....A drivers license is issued after proving your competency to operate a motor vehicle safely on PUBLIC roads. Some people take this responsibility more seriously than others. She proved her lack of competency by never hitting the brakes while approaching an intersection with stopped traffic, because she was talking on the cell phone and not paying attention.
Tech23
I agree with MidnitEvil....A drivers license is issued after proving your competency to operate a motor vehicle safely on PUBLIC roads. Some people take this responsibility more seriously than others. She proved her lack of competency by never hitting the brakes while approaching an intersection with stopped traffic, because she was talking on the cell phone and not paying attention.
Tech23
A lil 18 year old girl should go to jail for being stupid, and share a cell with the crack addict who robs people with guns? Lemme see here, maybe she'll learn from her cell mates and contribute to crime when she gets out?
As I had said in earlier threads: it just amazes me how quickly folks can ruin the lives of others from the comfort of their home on the internet!
"Lock her up!" "Throw away the key" "She ain't my daughter!".
Judges are paid to make decisions. They are trained for that.
I am so grateful they don't let internet commandos make these decisions! He he!
A few of you guys are so full of chit it is unbelievable.
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Sorry for your loss. I can remember reading an article in the local paper about a victims family hiring a lawyer to put pressure the police during the investigation and the DA to drive a very hard bargain when it came to any plea deals. Sounded like a great idea because it's easy for a victim or their family to become just another number.
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She proved her lack of competency by never hitting the brakes while approaching an intersection with stopped traffic
18 year old kids ain't supposed to be the most "competent" people in the world.
Compenency takes time to aquire.
If you were competent, you'd know that.