Loud Pipe BS Now in Canada
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From: British Columbia
Well, sounds like the crackdown on loud pipes has started in Canada. The City of Edmonton in Alberta is set to start ticketing bikes with anything other than stock exhaust starting in July. They claim to be testing their equipment as we speak and will commence testing bikes shortly.
Apparently one city counciler attempted to get the by law amended to include ALL motor vehicles, as he felt that citing motrcycles alone was discriminatory. He was shot down by his fellow politicians who claim that cracking down on ALL motor vehicles was unenforceable.
Apparently one city counciler attempted to get the by law amended to include ALL motor vehicles, as he felt that citing motrcycles alone was discriminatory. He was shot down by his fellow politicians who claim that cracking down on ALL motor vehicles was unenforceable.
and the way around that (so to speak) is the DB meters the cops use pick up all kinds of sound....ambient environmental sound, other passing cars, etc etc.
in order for them to test a vehicle properly, they would need to be in a proper testing facility. It's not something that can be done roadside and be at all acurate.
apparently BCCOM and their lawyers are working on this....along with that helmet crap
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To show the lack of quality of our city council this is the latest from the cow who pushed the bike bylaw.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/edmo.../14338911.html
http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/edmo.../14338911.html
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From: anacoco, la
To show the lack of quality of our city council this is the latest from the cow who pushed the bike bylaw.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/edmo.../14338911.html
http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/edmo.../14338911.html
just how many sirens do you have 'in the wee hours'? sounds like she wants to live in a bubble.
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From: Quebec, Canada
and the way around that (so to speak) is the DB meters the cops use pick up all kinds of sound....ambient environmental sound, other passing cars, etc etc.
in order for them to test a vehicle properly, they would need to be in a proper testing facility. It's not something that can be done roadside and be at all acurate.
in order for them to test a vehicle properly, they would need to be in a proper testing facility. It's not something that can be done roadside and be at all acurate.
The problem is most provincial laws don't have provisions for such objective methods of sound regulation. Quebec's law just says "Must not be louder than stock". It's been unenforceable since about 2005, when the Superior court issued a judgement in favor of motorcyclists on the grounds that the prosecution couldn't provide data as to what is "loud as stock" and how much "louder than stock" the exhausts were.
But you're right, ain't nothing new about it. The crackdown on loud exhausts (both cars and motorcycles) has been ongoing here for about 10 years now.
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So, according to the Edmonton Police Service website, here's how they'll test:
"92db at idle, 50cm/20in from the exhaust outlet, 96db at any speed greater than idle"
SAE J1169 specifies 2000rpm for 2 cylinder machines, although the bylaw makes no reference to an SAE standard. Nowhere is there a mention of exhaust having to be "stock"...many other municipalities are watching to see how this works; it's a pretty basic test and much easier to administer than previous attempts at controlling noise from motorcycles specifically.
"92db at idle, 50cm/20in from the exhaust outlet, 96db at any speed greater than idle"
SAE J1169 specifies 2000rpm for 2 cylinder machines, although the bylaw makes no reference to an SAE standard. Nowhere is there a mention of exhaust having to be "stock"...many other municipalities are watching to see how this works; it's a pretty basic test and much easier to administer than previous attempts at controlling noise from motorcycles specifically.
Tourer
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I have said it before, some common sense, if you run loud pipes, as I do. There should be a curfew, say between 9:00 pm & 9:00 am.
Running your loud *** scoot at night is like mowing your grass at midnight. And of coarse few bikes are as loud as mine, loud pipes save lives. They also wake up everyone in the hood your thumping through at night.
Running your loud *** scoot at night is like mowing your grass at midnight. And of coarse few bikes are as loud as mine, loud pipes save lives. They also wake up everyone in the hood your thumping through at night.
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From: Edmonton, AB.
This bylaw is embarassing. I've lived most of my life in Edmonton, and think it's a fabulous city. Unfortunately, it's more important to keep Starbucks quiet for 3 months of the year than it is to keep riders alive.
It is also unfortunate that the riders in Edmonton are only now speaking out that the bylaw has been passed. I've been writing letters and making phone calls to let every elected official I can know that I am against the bylaw.
The only way that the regular public will understand the effect of this bylaw is if we share the pain with them. They will, when nobody shows up for the charity rides.
The equipment has been tested on stock and aftermarket pipes. A stock 07 FXSTC (owned by a LEO I know) failed the test.
Are there pipes quieter than stock? Seriously... even peacemakers will fail this test.
I wonder how much the 3 years of research an development, let alone the equipment costs, maintenance and enforcement is going to cost. I understand the equipment needs to be calibrated regularly at a cost of over $10,000 per unit.
There is a petition being circulated, but I don't think that will change anything. I'll still sign it first chance I get. Challenging the law is going to be key.
There's a facebook group as well, and the more people that join that the better. The more numbers we get in there, the better. So, if you have a facebook account, please join "Peolpe Against Edmontons Motorcycle Noise Bylaw".
It is also unfortunate that the riders in Edmonton are only now speaking out that the bylaw has been passed. I've been writing letters and making phone calls to let every elected official I can know that I am against the bylaw.
The only way that the regular public will understand the effect of this bylaw is if we share the pain with them. They will, when nobody shows up for the charity rides.
The equipment has been tested on stock and aftermarket pipes. A stock 07 FXSTC (owned by a LEO I know) failed the test.
Are there pipes quieter than stock? Seriously... even peacemakers will fail this test.
I wonder how much the 3 years of research an development, let alone the equipment costs, maintenance and enforcement is going to cost. I understand the equipment needs to be calibrated regularly at a cost of over $10,000 per unit.
There is a petition being circulated, but I don't think that will change anything. I'll still sign it first chance I get. Challenging the law is going to be key.
There's a facebook group as well, and the more people that join that the better. The more numbers we get in there, the better. So, if you have a facebook account, please join "Peolpe Against Edmontons Motorcycle Noise Bylaw".
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From: So Cal The Golden State
You guys started it and all the Canadians fault
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