Bikers beat down cager
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From: Danville Va, Providence NC
Actually, I ride my bike to work most days. But yes, of course, I drive my car often. Never drunk, and I never talk on the phone while driving. Maybe you do, that's your thing, but I don't.
As far as your other comment, I don't know about all states, but in many states it is not "illegal" to pass on a double yellow line unless there is a sign that says no passing on the double yellow line. I won a court case on that basis once -- even the judge didn't know the rule until I pointed out the specific statute.
But again, even if the biker was wrong, the cager signalled, the biker was passing when he wasn't supposed to...even if all that...you still don't know what happened out there and what precipitated the "beat down".
One thing I have learned in 20 years of practicing law is, there's always another side to the story. And no matter how compelling one side may be, and how unlikely it may be that the other side could be more compelling...there are always going to be situations that end up surprising you. So you learn not to make too many assumptions. Not to be quite so quick to judge. All I'm saying is, you weren't there, you didn't see it, why side with the cager automatically?
Actually, now that I think about, I may have to revise my "vote" in the "brotherhood thread"....
As far as your other comment, I don't know about all states, but in many states it is not "illegal" to pass on a double yellow line unless there is a sign that says no passing on the double yellow line. I won a court case on that basis once -- even the judge didn't know the rule until I pointed out the specific statute.
But again, even if the biker was wrong, the cager signalled, the biker was passing when he wasn't supposed to...even if all that...you still don't know what happened out there and what precipitated the "beat down".
One thing I have learned in 20 years of practicing law is, there's always another side to the story. And no matter how compelling one side may be, and how unlikely it may be that the other side could be more compelling...there are always going to be situations that end up surprising you. So you learn not to make too many assumptions. Not to be quite so quick to judge. All I'm saying is, you weren't there, you didn't see it, why side with the cager automatically?
Actually, now that I think about, I may have to revise my "vote" in the "brotherhood thread"....
NOT that ANY of that has a damn thing to do with this incident, because it didn't .
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It sounds like the headline is a little misleading. The driver had his arm smashed when he hit the bike, not by the bikers themselves. The driver is the one saying his car is totaled. Sounds like two broken windows and some dents; on a PLYMOUTH SUNDANCE. The car probably wasn't worth **** in the first place. Before everybody gets all pissed off take note that the guys on bikes didn't beat the MAN, they beat the CAR.
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From: Potsdam, NY
Even if the car driver was initially in the wrong. His possible traffic infraction is now overshadowed by the fact he is now the victim of a serious crime perpetrated by a group of motorcycle riders. Does nothing for the case of motorcyclists as a group. These guys (riders) need to be charged. The motorcycle driver could of just called the cops if you felt he was illegally cut off - he had 14 witnesses.
Last edited by fat_tony; Sep 8, 2010 at 09:14 PM.
Cruiser
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From: Cincinnati, OH
Umm.
So if his turn signal wasn't working and his left arm was out the window... What are the chances he was ACTUALLY signaling left with his arm? I've seen it recently done by drivers in some beat up old cars. Not likely, but hey.
So if his turn signal wasn't working and his left arm was out the window... What are the chances he was ACTUALLY signaling left with his arm? I've seen it recently done by drivers in some beat up old cars. Not likely, but hey.
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As far as your other comment, I don't know about all states, but in many states it is not "illegal" to pass on a double yellow line unless there is a sign that says no passing on the double yellow line. I won a court case on that basis once -- even the judge didn't know the rule until I pointed out the specific statute.
(Even if it's just a PLYMOUTH SUNDANCE). Bwahahaha!
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From: eastern NC
Actually, I ride my bike to work most days. But yes, of course, I drive my car often. Never drunk, and I never talk on the phone while driving. Maybe you do, that's your thing, but I don't.
As far as your other comment, I don't know about all states, but in many states it is not "illegal" to pass on a double yellow line unless there is a sign that says no passing on the double yellow line. I won a court case on that basis once -- even the judge didn't know the rule until I pointed out the specific statute.
But again, even if the biker was wrong, the cager signalled, the biker was passing when he wasn't supposed to...even if all that...you still don't know what happened out there and what precipitated the "beat down".
One thing I have learned in 20 years of practicing law is, there's always another side to the story. And no matter how compelling one side may be, and how unlikely it may be that the other side could be more compelling...there are always going to be situations that end up surprising you. So you learn not to make too many assumptions. Not to be quite so quick to judge. All I'm saying is, you weren't there, you didn't see it, why side with the cager automatically?
Actually, now that I think about, I may have to revise my "vote" in the "brotherhood thread"....
As far as your other comment, I don't know about all states, but in many states it is not "illegal" to pass on a double yellow line unless there is a sign that says no passing on the double yellow line. I won a court case on that basis once -- even the judge didn't know the rule until I pointed out the specific statute.
But again, even if the biker was wrong, the cager signalled, the biker was passing when he wasn't supposed to...even if all that...you still don't know what happened out there and what precipitated the "beat down".
One thing I have learned in 20 years of practicing law is, there's always another side to the story. And no matter how compelling one side may be, and how unlikely it may be that the other side could be more compelling...there are always going to be situations that end up surprising you. So you learn not to make too many assumptions. Not to be quite so quick to judge. All I'm saying is, you weren't there, you didn't see it, why side with the cager automatically?
Actually, now that I think about, I may have to revise my "vote" in the "brotherhood thread"....
A double yellow, solid in both lanes means neither lane can pass.
That is the law in North Carolina, and I would think so in other states also.
All im saying is dont come to NC and pass on a solid line and expect to get out of the ticket if you get a citation because it wont happen.
Road Captain
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From: eastern NC
+1
From the video most likely the car did not signal and the bikers had to avoid him as best as they could. Seeing this a lot I would not have gone to the left but the rider that hit the car may not have had any choice. Hit the rear of the car or try to go around? Trash the car, you bet.
From the video most likely the car did not signal and the bikers had to avoid him as best as they could. Seeing this a lot I would not have gone to the left but the rider that hit the car may not have had any choice. Hit the rear of the car or try to go around? Trash the car, you bet.
I dont know how many times I was behind a trailer that I couldnt see the pulling vehicles lights this weekend and they had no lights on the trailer at all, and until I could pass I didnt end up hitting any of them or running off the road while driving my F150 crew cab or ridding the bike.
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You know, it's one thing to be an idiot, it's another thing entirely to be an arrogant idiot. From wikipedia:
"In some states, it is not against the law to overtake vehicles in the presence of solid yellow lines if it is safe to do so. Section 3303 and 3305 of the Pennsylvania driver code are examples. Vermont State Law also allows passing of the double yellow line when no traffic is on the opposing side, however, one must pass quickly and return to the proper side."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-yellow_line
And in case you're contemplating the standard response that wikipedia is not a reliable source, feel free to look up the individual statutes of various states. I found the above in less than 30 seconds, and that's already more time than I have to educate you.
"In some states, it is not against the law to overtake vehicles in the presence of solid yellow lines if it is safe to do so. Section 3303 and 3305 of the Pennsylvania driver code are examples. Vermont State Law also allows passing of the double yellow line when no traffic is on the opposing side, however, one must pass quickly and return to the proper side."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-yellow_line
And in case you're contemplating the standard response that wikipedia is not a reliable source, feel free to look up the individual statutes of various states. I found the above in less than 30 seconds, and that's already more time than I have to educate you.
V C Section 21460 Double Lines
Double Lines
21460. (a) When double parallel solid lines are in place, no person driving a vehicle shall drive to the left thereof, except as permitted in this section.
(b) When the double parallel lines, one of which is broken, are in place, no person driving a vehicle shall drive to the left thereof, except as follows:
(1) That the driver on that side of the roadway in which the broken line is in place may cross over the double line or drive to the left thereof when overtaking or passing other vehicles.
(2) As provided in Section 21460.5.
(c) Either of the markings as specified in subdivision (a) or (b) does not prohibit a driver from crossing the marking when (1) turning to the left at any intersection or into or out of a driveway or private road, or (2) making a U-turn under the rules governing that turn, and either of the markings shall be disregarded when authorized signs have been erected designating off center traffic lanes as permitted under Section 21657.
(d) Raised pavement markers may be used to simulate painted lines described in this section when the markers are placed in accordance with standards established by the Department of Transportation.
Amended Ch. 462, Stats. 1984. Effective January 1, 1985