All the helmet threads....
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Can you show me where I "denigrated" someone OR said how "great" I am?
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No, someone stated that people that work in nursing homes are all minimum wage losers. There was no mention of the horrors of nursing homes in that post. I used my wife as a personal reference to contradict that point.
Road Master
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There are studies and stats done by the feds and states about helmets/safety/injuries/etc.
Most if not all the stats that have been posted by repeatable sources show it is safer with than without a helmet. I not arguing with those who want to ride without a helmet.
What I dont understand is, if the stats say safer with a helmet and you want to ride without a helmet, why argue about the stats? Why not just accept them and say, "I know the stats, I know the risk and I decide to ride without one."
I think if you want to ride without then do it. I dont see why some try to argue about the helmet safety stats to justify riding without one. Either you are secure in your choice or you are not.
Yes, I know many states have laws on helmets and there is no choice on wearing one.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. Widely attributed to Benjamin Franklin on the internet, sometimes without the second sentence, it is not found in any of his known writings, and the word "lunch" is not known to have appeared anywhere in english literature until the 1820s, decades after his death. The phrasing itself has a very modern tone and the second sentence especially might not even be as old as the internet. Some of these observations are made in response to a query at Google Answers.In 1992, Marvin Simkin wrote in Los Angeles Times, Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.[1]
Most if not all the stats that have been posted by repeatable sources show it is safer with than without a helmet. I not arguing with those who want to ride without a helmet.
What I dont understand is, if the stats say safer with a helmet and you want to ride without a helmet, why argue about the stats? Why not just accept them and say, "I know the stats, I know the risk and I decide to ride without one."
I think if you want to ride without then do it. I dont see why some try to argue about the helmet safety stats to justify riding without one. Either you are secure in your choice or you are not.
Yes, I know many states have laws on helmets and there is no choice on wearing one.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. Widely attributed to Benjamin Franklin on the internet, sometimes without the second sentence, it is not found in any of his known writings, and the word "lunch" is not known to have appeared anywhere in english literature until the 1820s, decades after his death. The phrasing itself has a very modern tone and the second sentence especially might not even be as old as the internet. Some of these observations are made in response to a query at Google Answers.In 1992, Marvin Simkin wrote in Los Angeles Times, Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.[1]
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There are studies and stats done by the feds and states about helmets/safety/injuries/etc.
Most if not all the stats that have been posted by repeatable sources show it is safer with than without a helmet. I not arguing with those who want to ride without a helmet.
What I dont understand is, if the stats say safer with a helmet and you want to ride without a helmet, why argue about the stats? Why not just accept them and say, "I know the stats, I know the risk and I decide to ride without one."
I think if you want to ride without then do it. I dont see why some try to argue about the helmet safety stats to justify riding without one. Either you are secure in your choice or you are not.
Yes, I know many states have laws on helmets and there is no choice on wearing one.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. Widely attributed to Benjamin Franklin on the internet, sometimes without the second sentence, it is not found in any of his known writings, and the word "lunch" is not known to have appeared anywhere in english literature until the 1820s, decades after his death. The phrasing itself has a very modern tone and the second sentence especially might not even be as old as the internet. Some of these observations are made in response to a query at Google Answers.In 1992, Marvin Simkin wrote in Los Angeles Times, Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.[1]
Most if not all the stats that have been posted by repeatable sources show it is safer with than without a helmet. I not arguing with those who want to ride without a helmet.
What I dont understand is, if the stats say safer with a helmet and you want to ride without a helmet, why argue about the stats? Why not just accept them and say, "I know the stats, I know the risk and I decide to ride without one."
I think if you want to ride without then do it. I dont see why some try to argue about the helmet safety stats to justify riding without one. Either you are secure in your choice or you are not.
Yes, I know many states have laws on helmets and there is no choice on wearing one.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. Widely attributed to Benjamin Franklin on the internet, sometimes without the second sentence, it is not found in any of his known writings, and the word "lunch" is not known to have appeared anywhere in english literature until the 1820s, decades after his death. The phrasing itself has a very modern tone and the second sentence especially might not even be as old as the internet. Some of these observations are made in response to a query at Google Answers.In 1992, Marvin Simkin wrote in Los Angeles Times, Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.[1]
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So after reading this study, I don't understand how they support their conclusion that fatalities decreased with the use of helmets... And I wear a helmet every time I ride!
Their own numbers showed 5.0% to 4.4% fatalities. that seems pretty even to me. What am I missing here?
Their own numbers showed 5.0% to 4.4% fatalities. that seems pretty even to me. What am I missing here?
I would submit that if they did something as simple as exclude the individuals that did not have their motorcycle endorsement at the time of the accident, the datasets would change signicantly.
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Forget the studies and statistics, they are always slanted to support the financer's goal.
There are always individual cases to point out either side of the study.
The only stat that matters to me is the my ratio of years ridden without the consequence of serious injury or death.
So far 30 years ridden 0 serious injuries, 0 deaths.
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I agree with you 100%. My curiousity is in hopes there is not a lot of correlation between states with helmet laws and lower fatalities compared to those without helmet laws. I am just curious to see if there is a big difference. I live in MN, and we have one of the largest ownership/motorcycle riders per capita, in the country. We do not have a helmet law, and I dont see or hear about a lot of motorcycle NON-ALCOHOL related fatalities caused because of no head gear.
Road Captain
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Like Ron750 said, it is very difficult to generate meaningful stats on this subject. In MN, you may have a lot of bike owners, but due to climate, is the total bike miles ridden comparable to those in Florida??? I am not aware of any statistics available that take into account all the possible variables. Regardless - I still think it is my business to decide on my safety equipment. If I wanted to be safe, I would not ride. I do try to ride safely, but I am willing to accept the risk and I enjoy riding, so I ride. I prefer to ride with no helmet, and I accept that risk too. I also do other things that "nobody should try at home", or "may cause death or serious injury". I have jumped out of a few airplanes, I have taken my grandson for hot air balloon ride, I have done some white water rafting.... It's the way I want to live my life.
I also think accidents per mile driven is a much more valid statistic. Many bikes are registered and never leave the garage. Always nice to find one of those garage queens!
One other thing I'd like to mention about riding in northern states:
After not riding for several months over the winter, I know I'm not on my "A" game when it comes to riding once I hop back on the bike, so I'm sure during that first week or so I'm more dangerous. Additionally, after a long winter, cager drivers are not familiar with seeing motorcycles on the road and aren't looking for them at all, which makes riding in the early spring that much more potentially dangerous.
Yes, there are a few people that ride year round in my area, but not many. I ride as long as it's above 40F and that leaves me with about 6 months of good riding and 2 kinda iffy months in WI.