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Here is a video that may be helpful in using your security system:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUNqr...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUNqr...eature=related
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Here is a video that may be helpful in using your security system:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUNqr...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUNqr...eature=related
Anyway, I tried to start it again this morning with the same result, but having been off the tender since I started this thread.
It was making the clicking noise, but I noticed the headlight was bright and all the console lights seemed okay.
So, I took the battery out according to the Service Manual. The manual says the rubber boot was supposed to be over the positive terminal. It was not. It says that an uncovered terminal can short and cause sparks.
With the battery out, I looked it over. It does not have the warning label on it like the Service Manual picture. It is plain black with the Harley Logo on it and "Made In USA."
Next, I checked the voltage because I do have a volt meter. It reads 11.83. That is less than the Manual recommended 12.6 so my next step is to charge it, I guess.
I had both fobs present when trying to start it. Someone said they may have bad batteries. I guess I should check those too.
More later.
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I was going to send another informative video from J&P Cycles regarding battery maintenance. But since you have those bandwidth issues, I'll not load it up with additional items you cannot access.
Keep in mind that if your battery does not get a full charge, when it's installed and within just a few minutes of operation...it will set; meaning if you only achieve a 50% charge, that's all it will ever have at most. Additionally, starting the bike puts the biggest load on your bike, especially on cold starts. It can take 10-15 minutes of steady cruising to charge your system back up. I've attached a maintenance guide for the Harley 12V battery. Be sure to check out the chart for charging times. Based on your post, according to the chart your battery has almost no charge left in it.
These bikes are very reliable. Some minor maintenance is required however to ensure they stay that way. Hang in there...
http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US...ts/-J01575.pdf
Keep in mind that if your battery does not get a full charge, when it's installed and within just a few minutes of operation...it will set; meaning if you only achieve a 50% charge, that's all it will ever have at most. Additionally, starting the bike puts the biggest load on your bike, especially on cold starts. It can take 10-15 minutes of steady cruising to charge your system back up. I've attached a maintenance guide for the Harley 12V battery. Be sure to check out the chart for charging times. Based on your post, according to the chart your battery has almost no charge left in it.
These bikes are very reliable. Some minor maintenance is required however to ensure they stay that way. Hang in there...
http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US...ts/-J01575.pdf
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str8jacket:
I put the bike away. I wasnt hovering over it or checking on it every ****ing day. As I said before, but you purposely chose to miss, the best I can recall, as I passed it now and then while working, I saw red blinking.
For all I can remember that was the security light on the bike console and not the tender. I didnt think I had to baby sit the ****ing thing so when I walked within X feet of the bike and saw a red light blinking I figured Harley was doing its job. Maybe that was the tender, not the bike, I don't remember. I didnt think I had to baby sit. I thought the tender was the baby sitter.
I put the bike away. I wasnt hovering over it or checking on it every ****ing day. As I said before, but you purposely chose to miss, the best I can recall, as I passed it now and then while working, I saw red blinking.
For all I can remember that was the security light on the bike console and not the tender. I didnt think I had to baby sit the ****ing thing so when I walked within X feet of the bike and saw a red light blinking I figured Harley was doing its job. Maybe that was the tender, not the bike, I don't remember. I didnt think I had to baby sit. I thought the tender was the baby sitter.
Checking on something once in a while is NOT 'babysitting' it. Once you saw a red flashing light, it was very irresponsible on your part to just ignore it. Apparently you didn't even bother to read the instructions for the battery tender (or if you did, you ignored them). I'm sure it says that a red flashing light means there is a problem. Most people would know just from the red flashing light that something was up, even without reading the instructions. If you were so clueless about battery chargers/tenders, then it was your responsibility to read the instructions.
I actually sent it back a third time for my money back and they talked me into trying an entirely different gun. I looked it over and it passed muster. I did not look close enough. While it is light years ahead of the first gun, it does have one flaw: it's the gun with the 1/8" difference between the cylinder radius and the loading gate/recoil shield. That's when I gave.
The long and short of it is; you had the opportunity to get a refund and you let them talk you out of it. So the fact that you are still "sitting on" this gun is nobody's fault but your own. The more you post, the more it becomes evident just how pathetic this little diatribe of yours is.
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With the battery out, I looked it over. It does not have the warning label on it like the Service Manual picture. It is plain black with the Harley Logo on it and "Made In USA."
Next, I checked the voltage because I do have a volt meter. It reads 11.83. That is less than the Manual recommended 12.6 so my next step is to charge it, I guess.
I had both fobs present when trying to start it. Someone said they may have bad batteries. I guess I should check those too.
More later.
Next, I checked the voltage because I do have a volt meter. It reads 11.83. That is less than the Manual recommended 12.6 so my next step is to charge it, I guess.
I had both fobs present when trying to start it. Someone said they may have bad batteries. I guess I should check those too.
More later.
If you try to start it with that battery again, check the voltage while you hit the starter button and see how much the voltage drops. Even if you get it charged to where it reads over 12v, it might not have any cranking amps left in it. Checking for voltage drop while you try to start it is an effective way to do a load test when you don't have a load tester.
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No, you are wrong, so you can't correct me. You are in over your head. First, the consensus of Colt Firearms is what matters. And Colt says you are wrong. Colt determines generation based upon what they deem to be noteworthy mechanical or design changes, not serial numbers. Second, the Colt Collector's Association consensus is there is NO 4th generation. http://www.coltcollectors.org/forums...ation+SAA#p260. Third, you are dead wrong about your own citation to authority. The consensus on the Colt Forum is that there is no 4th generation. Here's just one link: http://www.coltforum.com/forums/colt...fferences.html
So, not only were you wrong about your own gun, you were wrong on the merits of my point. Again, you stand corrected, even if you don't know it.
So, not only were you wrong about your own gun, you were wrong on the merits of my point. Again, you stand corrected, even if you don't know it.
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I was going to send another informative video from J&P Cycles regarding battery maintenance. But since you have those bandwidth issues, I'll not load it up with additional items you cannot access.
Keep in mind that if your battery does not get a full charge, when it's installed and within just a few minutes of operation...it will set; meaning if you only achieve a 50% charge, that's all it will ever have at most. Additionally, starting the bike puts the biggest load on your bike, especially on cold starts. It can take 10-15 minutes of steady cruising to charge your system back up. I've attached a maintenance guide for the Harley 12V battery. Be sure to check out the chart for charging times. Based on your post, according to the chart your battery has almost no charge left in it.
These bikes are very reliable. Some minor maintenance is required however to ensure they stay that way. Hang in there...
http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US...ts/-J01575.pdf
Keep in mind that if your battery does not get a full charge, when it's installed and within just a few minutes of operation...it will set; meaning if you only achieve a 50% charge, that's all it will ever have at most. Additionally, starting the bike puts the biggest load on your bike, especially on cold starts. It can take 10-15 minutes of steady cruising to charge your system back up. I've attached a maintenance guide for the Harley 12V battery. Be sure to check out the chart for charging times. Based on your post, according to the chart your battery has almost no charge left in it.
These bikes are very reliable. Some minor maintenance is required however to ensure they stay that way. Hang in there...
http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US...ts/-J01575.pdf
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You lack critical and analytical reading skills. If I argue with an idiot, they always beat me with experience. P.S. I expected to see a blinking red light. It's the security system. No, I don't recall distinguishing between lights on the tender or the bike. I made the dumb *** mistake of ASSuming that two brand ****ing new items might be working while I left them to do their job, while I did mine. And yes, it IS baby sitting. For all you or Harley knows, a man could leave his bike in a barn, following the ****ing directions, and never see the bike for three months. The fact I happened to walk by two or three times during the summer is a non-issue. As to giving Colt another chance, was the wrong? Seems people around here are wanting me to give Harley another chance. Would that be wrong? Now I think you are telling me otherwise? It's like the guy offering $500.00 for the bike. Seems like there's some schizoid waffling going on here with some of you.
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Not necessarily. The service manual provides guidance about charging on bikes equipped with security. They stipulate usage of a tender such as you have.
Just a thought; but I'm thinking you may have gotten a "hurry-up" charge on the battery initially. Then a combination of the flashers draining your battery, and the fault while hooked up to the tender probably spelled the end of your battery unfortunately. Use of an amicable approach with your dealership may get you a replacement battery at best, or possibly at a discounted cost.
Seeing as there may have been an opportunity or two to prevent loss of battery voltage, you dealer may be unwilling to shoulder full responsibility. Your location certainly does play into a bit more disadvantage on your part. I've got two dealerships and several independent shops within spittin' distance.
Good luck bud...
Just a thought; but I'm thinking you may have gotten a "hurry-up" charge on the battery initially. Then a combination of the flashers draining your battery, and the fault while hooked up to the tender probably spelled the end of your battery unfortunately. Use of an amicable approach with your dealership may get you a replacement battery at best, or possibly at a discounted cost.
Seeing as there may have been an opportunity or two to prevent loss of battery voltage, you dealer may be unwilling to shoulder full responsibility. Your location certainly does play into a bit more disadvantage on your part. I've got two dealerships and several independent shops within spittin' distance.
Good luck bud...