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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 11:26 AM
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I have a co-worker who will never take responsibility for his own actions.
 
Old Feb 21, 2012 | 11:33 AM
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Unbelievable. I guess I could post up a bunch of links supporting what I am saying as well but I get the impression it would do no good. This is going nowhere and I am pretty sure that neither one of us cares what the other may think in any case.
It's no big deal. If all you are saying is that some people recognize a 4th generation, yeah, some do. My point was that you accused me of not doing my research or something to that effect, and that I should have bought a 3rd generation gun. I was pointing out that I *did* do my research and I *did* buy a 3rd Generation gun. I also knew what some folks were saying about the quality of current manufacture (not so good). But a lot of those folks were in bed with USFA, Uberti, Ruger, or talking about stuff they had heard, not stuff they knew from personal experience. After doing all my research, and listening to Colt fans and Colt, and knowing I wanted a Factory NIB gun with no prior owners, and having seen pictures of it (beautiful case colors), I went for it. I also did research on Harley, here, on this forum, reading all of one of the longest threads in this forum's history, and taking in all that people here and what Harley had to say about itself. Sure, I heard about the old days, and the days Harley was under some other outfit, and I heard what Harley haters had to say. But again, most of that was not from personal experience and it was just **** people heard. So I went with Harley. And, just like Colt, and just like people here suggest I do, I'm giving it another go.

Can't help but think about that old saying though, insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result. Here's to this thing getting un-****ed and no more problems.
 
Old Feb 21, 2012 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by hdgzr
Not necessarily. The service manual provides guidance about charging on bikes equipped with security. They stipulate usage of a tender such as you have.

Just a thought; but I'm thinking you may have gotten a "hurry-up" charge on the battery initially. Then a combination of the flashers draining your battery, and the fault while hooked up to the tender probably spelled the end of your battery unfortunately. Use of an amicable approach with your dealership may get you a replacement battery at best, or possibly at a discounted cost.

Seeing as there may have been an opportunity or two to prevent loss of battery voltage, you dealer may be unwilling to shoulder full responsibility. Your location certainly does play into a bit more disadvantage on your part. I've got two dealerships and several independent shops within spittin' distance.

Good luck bud...
Thanks again, man. The only thing I worry about is buying a brand new battery and that not being the problem, and then that battery getting screwed too. I should go pull my warranty service work order and see if they mentioned putting in a new battery or not. I hope there is no gremlin in the electronics somewhere, as someone else suggested.
 
Old Feb 21, 2012 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Kowan
I have a co-worker who will never take responsibility for his own actions.
$18,000.00 and following directions = responsibility, big time. I'm the one paying for my actions.
 
Old Feb 21, 2012 | 11:49 AM
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If you didn't see a green light, you didn't follow the directions that came with the battery tender:

"The main red led will illuminate when the battery charger is connected to the mains. As the battery charges the next LED will give you a half charge indicator and the the last green LED will illuminate to indicate the battery is fully charged and ready for operation."

I check my tenders occasionally to make sure all are green. If one's red, something is wrong. I put the tenders where I can see the display. If I don't check them, it's my fault.

I sense this is your first bike and don't have a lot of experience taking care of the battery. No big deal. I bet every person on these forums whose ever owned a bike has made lots of mistakes but most of us accept the responsibility.
 

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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 11:50 AM
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Let us know how everything turns out on your FatBoy. Riding season is fast approaching...
 
Old Feb 21, 2012 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by barjbar
If you didn't see a green light, you didn't follow the directions:

"The main red led will illuminate when the battery charger is connected to the mains. As the battery charges the next LED will give you a half charge indicator and the the last green LED will illuminate to indicate the battery is fully charged and ready for operation."

I check my tenders occasionally to make sure all are green. If one's red, something is wrong. I put the tenders where I can see the display. If I don't check them, it's my fault.
Again, with the lack of critical and analytical reading skills. I can't see a green light if it is not lit up (it may have lit up, I don't remember, but that's been dumbed down for you already, to no avail), so how is that a failure to follow directions if I don't see one? It says: ". . . the last green LED will illuminate to indicate the battery is fully charged and ready for operation." So, when the last green light is NOT lit, the battery is NOT fully charged and the bike is NOT ready for operation. In that case, you let the charger charge and the tender tend. That's not my failure to follow directions. If I looked and saw a green light, that says the bike is ready to ride, but that would only be if I was going for a ride, but I wasn't. I was storing the bike, on a tender, not riding it or baby sitting it or the tender. If I look and don't see a green light, that says its not ready. So it wasn't ready and I wasn't going for a ride. As I said before, I hooked it up and left and I very well could have hooked it up and left and never come back or walked by for three months, relying upon the tender to do it's job. So what's your point? Do the directions say: "Hook it up and wait until the green light comes on, then you are safe to leave the bike alone." If they said that, then maybe I did not follow the directions. But I don't see that. I see hook it up, see if if the charging light comes on (power is working from the building), and walk away.
 

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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by James Riley
Thanks again, man. The only thing I worry about is buying a brand new battery and that not being the problem, and then that battery getting screwed too. I should go pull my warranty service work order and see if they mentioned putting in a new battery or not. I hope there is no gremlin in the electronics somewhere, as someone else suggested.
First off, anything you buy can have a problem. That's why they give you a warranty. You can buy a $100K + Mercedes and still have problems.

You brought it in before and they "fixed" it? What exactly did they do to it? Did they give you paperwork saying what was done? If so, pull the paperwork out and let us know what was done. If not, call the dealer and ask them.

You said you are 150 miles from the dealer so hopefully there is an auto parts store closer to you. After the battery is charged take it to an auto parts store. Most will have a battery tester that does a load charge. That will tell you if the battery is junk or not.

If the battery is bad I'd just buy one from any aftermarket supplier. Your local parts store may even have one. You don't need and HD branded battery.

Did you check the tender pigtail to make sure it was connected to the battery properly? The dealer installed it but they could have F'd it up.

If the connections are correct I would remove them and plug in the tender to the battery on the bench. Then check the lights for correct operation. Also, put a volt meter on the battery while the tender is connected to see if it's charging.

I know stuff like this can be frustrating but at least it f'd up while in your garage. I've had to do plenty of repairs while in the middle of no where or in bad weather.
 

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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 12:42 PM
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You should check the inline fuse located in the pig tail connected to the battery. If you plug your charger into it & it's goes to red it could be blown. I just had my original 06 battery load tested at Sears. Passed. I had to replace my 09's battery at 2 years. **** happens. Both always kept on tenders. Find the problem & move on or just keep posting all your dribble so we can laugh some more.
 
Old Feb 21, 2012 | 12:42 PM
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No, I don't recall distinguishing between lights on the tender or the bike. I made the dumb *** mistake of ASSuming that two brand ****ing new items might be working while I left them to do their job, while I did mine.
You didn't read the instructions, and you didn't make sure it was working properly when you initially hooked it up. So you didn't do YOUR job.

Originally Posted by James Riley
And yes, it IS baby sitting. For all you or Harley knows, a man could leave his bike in a barn, following the ****ing directions, and never see the bike for three months. The fact I happened to walk by two or three times during the summer is a non-issue.
Most anybody who is going to store an $18000 in a barn for 3 months is going to... 1. make sure it's working properly when first hooked up, and... 2. check on it occasionally, or... 3. have enough sense to take the battery out if they aren't going to be able to check on it occasionally.

If you think checking on something occasionally to make sure everything is ok equates to 'having to babysit' it, then you clearly just refuse to accept any responsibility for anything. You think everything should just work perfectly all the time, and you should never need to check anything.

They put those red and green lights on there FOR A REASON. You walked right by it and were too lazy to even look at it and see it was working properly. Even worse, you totally ignored a flashing red light that you SAW (and the fact that you DIDN'T see a green light), and didn't even bother to see where the red flashing light was coming from. Try reading the instructions sometime so that you have some sort of clue as to what you are doing. You accuse others of having no reading comprehension, but you REFUSE TO READ.

Originally Posted by James Riley
As to giving Colt another chance, was the wrong? Seems people around here are wanting me to give Harley another chance. Would that be wrong? Now I think you are telling me otherwise? It's like the guy offering $500.00 for the bike. Seems like there's some schizoid waffling going on here with some of you.
Like I asked the first time (or did you not comprehend the question), why didn't you send the second one back for a refund? Did you agree to accept the second one unconditionally, with no option to return it? Either way you had the opportunity to get your money back, and opted not to for whatever reason. You have nobody to blame but yourself.
 

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