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Harley is making better than 35% profit margin? That doesn't seem possible. that would make them one of the most successful companies in history. As was said some of the big oil companies are getting at best 3%
Do you have a link for that? I'd like to look in to it. incredible info thanks!
Do you have a link for that? I'd like to look in to it. incredible info thanks!
Here is the link to the data he was 1/2 looking at
http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/js...os.jsp?tkr=HOG
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Same bashers, different day. I have a '99 and an '08. Both have had some troubles, but always got me home. Truly, if I do not like a company I will not buy their products, whatever they may be, or how much I think I might like their product. Therefore, if I thought the MOCO was a **** company, I would ride something else.
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As far as replacing perfectly good parts on a new bike - That is the rule for any bike rather than the exception in my experience. I ditch the seats, suspension, and exhausts on my BMWs immediately. Lots of people do that to their GWs, Triumphs, etc.
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Aw, come on now. Don't go spoiling the illusion with a fact. That takes all the fun out of the MOCO bashing a lot of guys seem to enjoy! HDs profit margin fluctuates in the same ball park as every other motorcycle manufacturer, but it's the MOCO that has a high margin, not everybody else. These guys seem to forget that just a couple of short years ago, Harley was fighting to survive. The bashers like to refer to it as strong arm tactics of the MOCO that had them streamlining their dealer network, consolidating their operations, and achieving greater efficiency to remain in business. Bashers say they weren't trying to remain in business. They were simply trying to greedily grab profit, not remain solvent!
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If we get into a big war
[the ME will explode soon] DON"T YOU KNOW IT ALLS HATE IT WHEN I'M RIGHT?
Wish I could predict the lottery #'s as good LOL
who is gonna make our war needs, China?
Good friggin" luck w that.
The morons and idiots have taken over. China could "Red Dawn" the US tomorrow.
China hits the main "TV off" button for the US and 80-90% of the country would be clueless w/o the idiot box [all china made] Superstorm Sandy PROVED that.
[the ME will explode soon] DON"T YOU KNOW IT ALLS HATE IT WHEN I'M RIGHT?
Wish I could predict the lottery #'s as good LOL
who is gonna make our war needs, China?
Good friggin" luck w that.
The morons and idiots have taken over. China could "Red Dawn" the US tomorrow.
China hits the main "TV off" button for the US and 80-90% of the country would be clueless w/o the idiot box [all china made] Superstorm Sandy PROVED that.
Not so hard to predict, watch all the rags from every filthy sand box attack Israel.
Watch Israel fight on 3 fronts, they're good but war on multiple fronts has a proven history of "NOT GOOD"
Ya all don't wanna hear my other "predictions" re: our fuel needs/supply.
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What is the best feature of a Victory? From lot's of experience on both.
1. The engine (makes much better power 92 hp/105 ft. lbs with stage 1. $1400 for cams,tuner. 110 hp./115 ft.lbs. if so desired.No pinging,no heat issues,no oil leaks,no bad compensator sprocket,no chains,can replace drive belt in 1 hr.in a camp ground if needed,do an oil change in 15 min,no limp mode,no heat management,no added tuner )
2. The instrument cluster (much easier to read,don't need an oil temp. gauge,the radio,ambient air temp. gauge actually work,better cruise control)
3. The fenders(no bottoming out riding 2 up,stock suspension actually works,
no dents on the front fender due to dropping outer batwing after replacing broken
fairing brackets)
4.The wheels(well they're cast wheels with GOOD bearings.Do to more lean angle and better handling I can wear a little more rubber off the tire edges)
5. The head light( incredible HID lighting comes stock,not a $600 accessory. Can run both high beams and HID at the same time.)
6. All of the above($6k less than an FLHTK)
Last edited by D2R; Nov 17, 2012 at 01:00 PM.
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Something to add to your little poll there:
What is the best feature of a Victory? From lot's of experience on both.
3. The fenders(no bottoming out riding 2 up,stock suspension actually works,
no dents on the front fender due to dropping outer batwing after replacing broken
fairing brackets)
What is the best feature of a Victory? From lot's of experience on both.
3. The fenders(no bottoming out riding 2 up,stock suspension actually works,
no dents on the front fender due to dropping outer batwing after replacing broken
fairing brackets)
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