harley crap design
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From: PNW
Think you two can understand where I come from with my old friend then , worked the kinks out many years ago so any troubles I have now are solely self induced . I haven't liked the CVO line since day one . The moco is all about shoving them out the door the fastest it can and as several others have mentioned sub parts are coming from the cheapest bidder and things like the cranks are designed to reduce costs and time on the assembly line not durability .
Funny you should mention the crank - you nailed it. Mine took a sh*t on my ride back from Daytona. Made it home ok but it's down for repairs now. Like you said, the crank was made for assembly purposes - not durability or performance. Fortunately, the Moco is covering it. Damn glad I had some warranty left. But, not taking chances - I kicked in some coin to have the crank done right - welded, balanced, bored, etc and the labor is on the Moco.
I would be a fool to let this bike go after I fixed all the stuff that isn't right by design.
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First of all HD did not put the cat in the head pipe. That is just what keyboard cowboys call it.
Look at HD literature. The cat is in a collecting tube which is welded to the collector just after the two head tubes terminate. The only thing in the head tubes are the O-2 sensors.
The collector tube is 4 to 6 times the diameter of the two head tubes combined. It is no different that the cats in a car.
Repeat after me. "The cat is not in the head tubes."
Do you feel better now?
Note: HD still puts the cat in the mufflers on most Dyna's and Softails. If you see a new bike with heat shields on the mufflers it is there because a cat is under it. The Switch Back has the collector tube after the head pipes. Most Sportsters do not have a cat. The exemption is the XR1200 which is in a collector tube .
The current V-Rods have collector tube cats.
OP - If you want to bash HD at least know what the F you are talking about dummy!
Look at HD literature. The cat is in a collecting tube which is welded to the collector just after the two head tubes terminate. The only thing in the head tubes are the O-2 sensors.
The collector tube is 4 to 6 times the diameter of the two head tubes combined. It is no different that the cats in a car.
Repeat after me. "The cat is not in the head tubes."
Do you feel better now?
Note: HD still puts the cat in the mufflers on most Dyna's and Softails. If you see a new bike with heat shields on the mufflers it is there because a cat is under it. The Switch Back has the collector tube after the head pipes. Most Sportsters do not have a cat. The exemption is the XR1200 which is in a collector tube .
The current V-Rods have collector tube cats.
OP - If you want to bash HD at least know what the F you are talking about dummy!
Last edited by lh4x4; Nov 13, 2012 at 07:05 PM.
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From: Kentucky
why don't harley wake up and change things,who ever thought of putting the cat. converter in the head pipe next to the brake switch and the sh-t for wheel bearing,fairing brackets that crack,voltage regs. that don't last a week,comp.sprockets that don't last,cranks that twist,bad bearings in trans,even back in the 8o's when they changed cam bearings in the evo's.they had good designs and then *** with them. thanks for letting me get that off of my chest.
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From: NJ Shore and IRB Fla
Harley has THE most loyal owners and customers who IMHO like the USA made "fact"
Was it us riding in the 60's 70's that made 100's of 1000's want to dress and ride like us?
Or is it something else that drove the huge increase in sales of HD's in the last 20 yrs. What ever, the MOCO has rewarded their customers loyalty with cheap chinese parts
I'm a wheel bearing victim[8k and shot] NEVER had a M/C eat a wheel bearing in less that 20 k. Glad the MOCO saved 10 cents to cost me $100. Corporate greed. PERIOD.
BIG "Made in America" HD logo on the chinese made leather jacket [big friggin' eyeroll here!!!!] Yeah i know my 79 has a japanese front end [Showa] at least it was made by a ally, not some communist country trying to crush the US economicaly. But who gives a pshite about america's slide to crap, just defend your precious MOCO no matter what sheeple. DEMAMD better from corporate america, because you KNOW whats going on directly contributes to the down slide of our late great USA.
Let the spin begin.
Yes some have no troublewith their HD's but you cannot deny many have due to cheap crappy chinese parts. Those that make excuses for corporate greed are sheep.
Was it us riding in the 60's 70's that made 100's of 1000's want to dress and ride like us?
Or is it something else that drove the huge increase in sales of HD's in the last 20 yrs. What ever, the MOCO has rewarded their customers loyalty with cheap chinese parts
I'm a wheel bearing victim[8k and shot] NEVER had a M/C eat a wheel bearing in less that 20 k. Glad the MOCO saved 10 cents to cost me $100. Corporate greed. PERIOD.
BIG "Made in America" HD logo on the chinese made leather jacket [big friggin' eyeroll here!!!!] Yeah i know my 79 has a japanese front end [Showa] at least it was made by a ally, not some communist country trying to crush the US economicaly. But who gives a pshite about america's slide to crap, just defend your precious MOCO no matter what sheeple. DEMAMD better from corporate america, because you KNOW whats going on directly contributes to the down slide of our late great USA.
Let the spin begin.
Yes some have no troublewith their HD's but you cannot deny many have due to cheap crappy chinese parts. Those that make excuses for corporate greed are sheep.
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From: NJ Shore and IRB Fla
If we get into a big war [the ME will explode soon] who is gonna make our war needs, China?
Good friggin" luck w that.
The morons and idiots have taken over. China could "Red Dawn" the US tomorrow.
China hits the main "TV off" button for the US and 80-90% of the country would be clueless w/o the idiot box [all china made] Superstorm Sandy PROVED that.
Good friggin" luck w that.
The morons and idiots have taken over. China could "Red Dawn" the US tomorrow.
China hits the main "TV off" button for the US and 80-90% of the country would be clueless w/o the idiot box [all china made] Superstorm Sandy PROVED that.
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From: Oroville,Washington.
Harley has THE most loyal owners and customers who IMHO like the USA made "fact"
Was it us riding in the 60's 70's that made 100's of 1000's want to dress and ride like us?
Or is it something else that drove the huge increase in sales of HD's in the last 20 yrs. What ever, the MOCO has rewarded their customers loyalty with cheap chinese parts
I'm a wheel bearing victim[8k and shot] NEVER had a M/C eat a wheel bearing in less that 20 k. Glad the MOCO saved 10 cents to cost me $100. Corporate greed. PERIOD.
BIG "Made in America" HD logo on the chinese made leather jacket [big friggin' eyeroll here!!!!] Yeah i know my 79 has a japanese front end [Showa] at least it was made by a ally, not some communist country trying to crush the US economicaly. But who gives a pshite about america's slide to crap, just defend your precious MOCO no matter what sheeple. DEMAMD better from corporate america, because you KNOW whats going on directly contributes to the down slide of our late great USA.
Let the spin begin.
Yes some have no troublewith their HD's but you cannot deny many have due to cheap crappy chinese parts. Those that make excuses for corporate greed are sheep.
Was it us riding in the 60's 70's that made 100's of 1000's want to dress and ride like us?
Or is it something else that drove the huge increase in sales of HD's in the last 20 yrs. What ever, the MOCO has rewarded their customers loyalty with cheap chinese parts
I'm a wheel bearing victim[8k and shot] NEVER had a M/C eat a wheel bearing in less that 20 k. Glad the MOCO saved 10 cents to cost me $100. Corporate greed. PERIOD.
BIG "Made in America" HD logo on the chinese made leather jacket [big friggin' eyeroll here!!!!] Yeah i know my 79 has a japanese front end [Showa] at least it was made by a ally, not some communist country trying to crush the US economicaly. But who gives a pshite about america's slide to crap, just defend your precious MOCO no matter what sheeple. DEMAMD better from corporate america, because you KNOW whats going on directly contributes to the down slide of our late great USA.
Let the spin begin.
Yes some have no troublewith their HD's but you cannot deny many have due to cheap crappy chinese parts. Those that make excuses for corporate greed are sheep.
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From: wet coast BC
Ok, here is what I remember from the 70's. those who wanted to ride a Harley rode a metric because we could not afford a Harley. Today you can buy any brand at close pricing so you can choose which brand suits you. I know I would have had a Harley cept for the initial cost, but we rode while dreaming of the day when...
So did the moco buy cheaper parts in order to price competitively, Yes I for one think so. Moco readily has the bolt in parts to replace the cheap parts. add on improvements have pre drilled and tapped holes.
So did the moco buy cheaper parts in order to price competitively, Yes I for one think so. Moco readily has the bolt in parts to replace the cheap parts. add on improvements have pre drilled and tapped holes.