Pulled over wtf.
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Some towns have fair speed limits, but many don't. So 13 over could be unsafe, but not necessarily. There are several towns in WI that are known as speed traps, and even sell T-shirts at the gas station about being pulled over. Rosendale, WI is one. On Hwy 23, West of Fond du Lac.
So I don't get how people know he is a demonic, unsafe rider. Now, that he mentions multiple tickets, he does have some 'splaining to do.
So I don't get how people know he is a demonic, unsafe rider. Now, that he mentions multiple tickets, he does have some 'splaining to do.
Last edited by Ron750; Feb 18, 2013 at 04:13 AM.
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I would definitely fight it... Be thankful it is not a camera and that YOU HAVE DUE PROCESS!!!!! Remember, YOU are not required to give testimony/evidence aganst yourself or to otherwise make a case aganst yourself (or anyone else)... I am sure many of you realize that our 'due process' rights are being severely erroded/taken away in many areas and that 'due process' is being redefined to suit the greedy/power-hungry... All ways exercise/demand your due-process rights... It has been proven over/over 'by professionals' that the safest speed is generally the flow of traffic and not necessarily the 'posted'... Just because you MAY have been going slightly over the 'posted' speed does NOT mean that you were operating unsafely and the fact is you were prolly WELL within the margin for (compounding) error(s) (I.E. how wide are the painted lines and on which side of the lines were you metered and from what point(s) on your (multi-shaped) vehicle; what was the angle of viewing/lighting/any shadows (including the vehicle shadow); what is the possible error in his clocking device and your speedometer; when did he last have his (personal) react/reflex-action time(s) calibrated/tested; etc.)... Under the circumstances, I think a warning to you would have been sufficient...
IMO; ALL 'proven' speeding violations/convictions should be preceeded by AT LEAST one warning within a reasonable time... If you had a 'recent' warning or two in the area/on the books I'd say you were best off to shut-up/pay-up...
Remember, YOU should expect to get a LOT of feedback from (ex/retired [motorcycle]) LEO's on this forum... I would not want that job... I am sure it must be difficult to maintain a 'balanced' perspective when you are exposed to constant pressure to 'enforce all the laws'...
IMO; ALL 'proven' speeding violations/convictions should be preceeded by AT LEAST one warning within a reasonable time... If you had a 'recent' warning or two in the area/on the books I'd say you were best off to shut-up/pay-up...
Remember, YOU should expect to get a LOT of feedback from (ex/retired [motorcycle]) LEO's on this forum... I would not want that job... I am sure it must be difficult to maintain a 'balanced' perspective when you are exposed to constant pressure to 'enforce all the laws'...
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How does VASCAR-plusŽ work?
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Theory of operation - VASCAR-plusŽ is a programmed computer that measures speed, by dividing distance traveled by the time it took to travel the distance. The device, which is the size of a small radio, may be mounted in the police car, motorcycle or airplane. When the suspected speeder's car passes a point determined by the officer he flips a switch. When the suspect's car passes another point, the officer turns the switch off. Elapsed time is automatically recorded by the computer. The officer measures the distance by throwing a switch when his car passes the first point and turning it off when his car passes the second point. The police car is used only to measure distance and its speed is not a factor in determining whether or not the suspect is speeding. Because VASCAR-plusŽ computes speed simply by dividing the distance traveled by the elapsed time, it can be used in a wide variety of situations. And because it measures average speed and requires no depth perception judgments, it is fairer to the driver than other forms of speed measurement.
Today's speeders are even better equipped to avoid detection than law enforcement officers are to catch them. Undetectable RADAR detectors, RADAR jammers and cloaking devices have made the job much harder. The advanced micro processor technology of VASCAR-plusŽ cannot be located by radar detectors nor can it be jammed.
The five situations described here are the most typical uses of VASCAR-plusŽ. In each, the operator gets a direct reading of average speed and an instant recall of distance of elapsed time simply by pressing a button.
Home > How it works
Theory of operation - VASCAR-plusŽ is a programmed computer that measures speed, by dividing distance traveled by the time it took to travel the distance. The device, which is the size of a small radio, may be mounted in the police car, motorcycle or airplane. When the suspected speeder's car passes a point determined by the officer he flips a switch. When the suspect's car passes another point, the officer turns the switch off. Elapsed time is automatically recorded by the computer. The officer measures the distance by throwing a switch when his car passes the first point and turning it off when his car passes the second point. The police car is used only to measure distance and its speed is not a factor in determining whether or not the suspect is speeding. Because VASCAR-plusŽ computes speed simply by dividing the distance traveled by the elapsed time, it can be used in a wide variety of situations. And because it measures average speed and requires no depth perception judgments, it is fairer to the driver than other forms of speed measurement.Today's speeders are even better equipped to avoid detection than law enforcement officers are to catch them. Undetectable RADAR detectors, RADAR jammers and cloaking devices have made the job much harder. The advanced micro processor technology of VASCAR-plusŽ cannot be located by radar detectors nor can it be jammed.
The five situations described here are the most typical uses of VASCAR-plusŽ. In each, the operator gets a direct reading of average speed and an instant recall of distance of elapsed time simply by pressing a button.
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ethods:
Following - The officer flips TIME switch ON when target vehicle passes point "A", then OFF when it passes point "B". He then flips the DISTANCE switch ON as the police cruiser enters point "A" and OFF when he reaches point "B". The calculated average speed is immediately displayed.
Opposite Direction - The officer flips the TIME switch ON when she sees the target vehicle pass point "B". When the police car is opposite the front of the target vehicle (point "A"), she flips the TIME switch ON, and simultaneously flips the DISTANCE switch ON. When the police car passes point "B", she turns the DISTANCE switch OFF. The calculated average speed is immediately displayed.
Parking - The police officer drives from point “A” to point “B” with the DISTANCE switch ON at point “A” and OFF at point “B”, and then parks off the roadway. As the target vehicle, viewed through the officer’s rear view mirror, passes point “A”, he turns the TIME switch ON. When the target vehicle reaches point “B”, the TIME switch is turned OFF. The calculated average speed is immediately displayed.
T-Intersection - The police officer is parked off the main roadway out of the driver’s normal view. As the rear of the target vehicle passes point “A”, the TIME switch is turned ON. The police vehicle then enters the road and upon passing point “A”, turns on the DISTANCE switch. The officer now proceeds to follow the target vehicle until it passes point “B”. At that time, the TIME switch is turned “OFF”. When the officer passes point “B”, he turns “OFF” the DISTANCE switch and the calculated average speed is immediately displayed.
Dial-A-Distance - Having previously measured the distance between “A” and “B”, the police officer parks her vehicle in a position of maximum concealment, yet where reference points “A” and “B” are clearly visible. She now dials the DISTANCE in on the thumbwheel switch. By using only the TIME switch, she can repeatedly clock cars until she observes a flagrant speeder.
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Yes, victimless. When someone gets hit there are always contributing factors, which are the real reason for the accident. Saying speed kills is like saying guns kill.
Don't confuse stones with stupidity or being to lazy to fight. I've never hurt myself or anyone else but if I hadn't fought (or weaseled out as you put it) I'd have likely lost my license several times and would be being raped by insurance companies right now.
Don't confuse stones with stupidity or being to lazy to fight. I've never hurt myself or anyone else but if I hadn't fought (or weaseled out as you put it) I'd have likely lost my license several times and would be being raped by insurance companies right now.
Last edited by AnotherBlackSG; Feb 18, 2013 at 07:28 AM.
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So got pulled over doing 43 in a 30. So it was a city cop. So I say how did you get me. He says there's two white lines painted 100ft apart and I was time. No sensers. No radar. Basically a cop with a stop watch. What do you think my odds of beating this ticket are ? I mean that's kind of crazy. Also it was 3 am dark out. Have to be pretty precise as to when you start stop that watch. All opinions appreciated.
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First off I know exactly where they sit. Second I watched them paint the lines. I go through there everyday twice a day . It's not a big deal. The point is the cops reaction time. Your clocking a moving vehicle over 100 ft I can guarantee . Any humans reaction time will be off . This is why they use lasers so when you cross the beams you get exact times speeds ect. This is the reason I want to fight the ticket. It's the principle
"This is why they use lasers so when you cross the beams you get exact times speeds ect": This isn't an Olympic sporting event, dude. Human reaction times are NOT as long as you seem to think. They average 250 - 300 MILLISECONDS = 25-30 hundreds of a second.
Try this: http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/
"It's the principle": What, do you think you are going to do, set a precedent or something?
Go ahead and try to fight it. I did it once and you will learn what I did, it isn't worth it. Just bring your wallet with you. Good luck.
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I can't believe that in this day and age they're still using VASCAR. 
Got my first ticket back in the early 70s on it but I haven't heard of one being used in NJ since those times.
I did some reading up on them (below link to a PA case). Seems they're about as hard to beat as a radar ticket. Cop just has to show up, present documentation of his training, document the unit was tested and certified, and testify that he used the unit properly on the date in question. Case closed.
If you're a gambling man and have the time to spend in court I suppose it might be worth a shot. Personally, unless it was going to cost me my license I would pay the fine and move on. If my license was on the line I would also get a lawyer and hope to at least get the charge knocked down to a non moving violation.
http://travel.3dresearch.com/transcript1.html
Got my first ticket back in the early 70s on it but I haven't heard of one being used in NJ since those times. I did some reading up on them (below link to a PA case). Seems they're about as hard to beat as a radar ticket. Cop just has to show up, present documentation of his training, document the unit was tested and certified, and testify that he used the unit properly on the date in question. Case closed.
If you're a gambling man and have the time to spend in court I suppose it might be worth a shot. Personally, unless it was going to cost me my license I would pay the fine and move on. If my license was on the line I would also get a lawyer and hope to at least get the charge knocked down to a non moving violation.
http://travel.3dresearch.com/transcript1.html
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