Pulled over wtf.
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Do the crime, do the fine. Doesn't matter if you disagree with the law, you broke the law. Face it, we all do it a lot more frequently than any of us will admit to. My guess is that the judge has heard every argument that can be used in this situation.
What would you say if someone ran into you doing 43 in a 30, totaled your bike and put you in the hospital then told you " I drive/ride at a safe, reasonable speed, given conditions, surroundings, and, abilities. If that happens to be above the "speed limit" then shame on them for making the speed limit so low."
If you feel like fighting it, then fight it. But make sure you know the local rules/statutes before you go to court. If you lose don't get all upset and start calling the judge and cop names.
What would you say if someone ran into you doing 43 in a 30, totaled your bike and put you in the hospital then told you " I drive/ride at a safe, reasonable speed, given conditions, surroundings, and, abilities. If that happens to be above the "speed limit" then shame on them for making the speed limit so low."
If you feel like fighting it, then fight it. But make sure you know the local rules/statutes before you go to court. If you lose don't get all upset and start calling the judge and cop names.
Last edited by Deucedog; Feb 17, 2013 at 11:55 PM.
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Damn I hate it when people say **** like this. I might agree if I thought there was actually something wrong with doing 43 in a 30. Is a victimless crime really a crime? No. It's a revenue maker at the expense of the people they are sworn to protect and serve. Sticking your hands in my pocket isn't protecting or serving. If I can stop the government from stealing from me I will do so every time.
I drive/ride at a safe, reasonable speed, given conditions, surroundings, and, abilities. If that happens to be above the "speed limit" then shame on them for making the speed limit so low.
I drive/ride at a safe, reasonable speed, given conditions, surroundings, and, abilities. If that happens to be above the "speed limit" then shame on them for making the speed limit so low.
Hate away. Victimless crime till someone gets hit, including the rider.
I speed pretty often. But deal is, if I get caught red handed, I have the stones to own up to it instead of trying to weasel out.
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I tried fighting a ticket once. Lesson learned..... it doesn't pay to fight tickets.
It's your word against a law enforcement officers. That's how the common person sees it. If you fought it by judge decision or jury verdict, the average joe knows you were probably speeding and are just trying to get off because you're pissed for getting a ticket. Therefore GUILTY AS CHARGED ! All other reasoning and circumstances don't matter. Now, if you want to fight it and hope the cop doesn't show, good luck. The likelihood of him not showing is slim.
It will most likely cost you more to fight it than the fine itself, anyway. Plead no contest and pay the fine. In PA, can you keep points off your license by taking a defensive driving course?
It isn't Einsteinian physics to time someone going a distance marked on the pavement. Relativity doesn't apply at these speeds. How much error you think there is in his "reaction time" to turn the timer, aka 'Sergeant', on and off? One-tenth of a second ? Two tenths of a second? The difference between 30 mph and 43 mph in a 100 foot distance is 0.7 seconds. The better part of 1 full second.
They gotcha. Pay the fine.
Math
30 mph = 44 ft/sec = 2.3 sec / 100 ft
43 mph = 63.1 ft/sec = 1.6 sec / 100 ft
Good luck if you decide to fight it.
PS: The title you gave this thread: "Pulled over wtf"? Wtf? What do you mean? You seem to be in denial. You admitted in a post you were speeding. That's why you were pulled over !
It's your word against a law enforcement officers. That's how the common person sees it. If you fought it by judge decision or jury verdict, the average joe knows you were probably speeding and are just trying to get off because you're pissed for getting a ticket. Therefore GUILTY AS CHARGED ! All other reasoning and circumstances don't matter. Now, if you want to fight it and hope the cop doesn't show, good luck. The likelihood of him not showing is slim.
It will most likely cost you more to fight it than the fine itself, anyway. Plead no contest and pay the fine. In PA, can you keep points off your license by taking a defensive driving course?
It isn't Einsteinian physics to time someone going a distance marked on the pavement. Relativity doesn't apply at these speeds. How much error you think there is in his "reaction time" to turn the timer, aka 'Sergeant', on and off? One-tenth of a second ? Two tenths of a second? The difference between 30 mph and 43 mph in a 100 foot distance is 0.7 seconds. The better part of 1 full second.
They gotcha. Pay the fine.
Math
30 mph = 44 ft/sec = 2.3 sec / 100 ft
43 mph = 63.1 ft/sec = 1.6 sec / 100 ft
Good luck if you decide to fight it.
PS: The title you gave this thread: "Pulled over wtf"? Wtf? What do you mean? You seem to be in denial. You admitted in a post you were speeding. That's why you were pulled over !
Last edited by Bone Doc; Feb 18, 2013 at 12:12 AM.
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Don't bank on the officer not showing up if you take it to court. LEO's are served a subpoena for court - if they "don't show up" there will be hell to pay. At a minimum they will get disciplined, and at worst terminated if they have prior disciplines for the same violation.
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I disagree with 43 Wasn't going that fast. That's the problem. Not much difference in 1.6 or 2.3 To match that accurately is pretty hard. If you put 5 people there each one would get a different time.
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Yes, victimless. When someone gets hit there are always contributing factors, which are the real reason for the accident. Saying speed kills is like saying guns kill.
Don't confuse stones with stupidity or being to lazy to fight. I've never hurt myself or anyone else but if I hadn't fought (or weaseled out as you put it) I'd have likely lost my license several times and would be being raped by insurance companies right now.
Don't confuse stones with stupidity or being to lazy to fight. I've never hurt myself or anyone else but if I hadn't fought (or weaseled out as you put it) I'd have likely lost my license several times and would be being raped by insurance companies right now.
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I tried fighting a ticket once. Lesson learned..... it doesn't pay to fight tickets.
It's your word against a law enforcement officers. That's how the common person sees it. If you fought it by judge decision or jury verdict, the average joe knows you were probably speeding and are just trying to get off because you're pissed for getting a ticket. Therefore GUILTY AS CHARGED ! All other reasoning and circumstances don't matter. Now, if you want to fight it and hope the cop doesn't show, good luck. The likelihood of him not showing is slim.
It will most likely cost you more to fight it than the fine itself, anyway. Plead no contest and pay the fine. In PA, can you keep points off your license by taking a defensive driving course?
It isn't Einsteinian physics to time someone going a distance marked on the pavement. Relativity doesn't apply at these speeds. How much error you think there is in his "reaction time" to turn the timer, aka 'Sergeant', on and off? One-tenth of a second ? Two tenths of a second? The difference between 30 mph and 43 mph in a 100 foot distance is 0.7 seconds. The better part of 1 full second.
They gotcha. Pay the fine.
Math
30 mph = 44 ft/sec = 2.3 sec / 100 ft
43 mph = 63.1 ft/sec = 1.6 sec / 100 ft
Good luck if you decide to fight it.
PS: The title you gave this thread: "Pulled over wtf"? Wtf? What do you mean? You seem to be in denial. You admitted in a post you were speeding. That's why you were pulled over !
It's your word against a law enforcement officers. That's how the common person sees it. If you fought it by judge decision or jury verdict, the average joe knows you were probably speeding and are just trying to get off because you're pissed for getting a ticket. Therefore GUILTY AS CHARGED ! All other reasoning and circumstances don't matter. Now, if you want to fight it and hope the cop doesn't show, good luck. The likelihood of him not showing is slim.
It will most likely cost you more to fight it than the fine itself, anyway. Plead no contest and pay the fine. In PA, can you keep points off your license by taking a defensive driving course?
It isn't Einsteinian physics to time someone going a distance marked on the pavement. Relativity doesn't apply at these speeds. How much error you think there is in his "reaction time" to turn the timer, aka 'Sergeant', on and off? One-tenth of a second ? Two tenths of a second? The difference between 30 mph and 43 mph in a 100 foot distance is 0.7 seconds. The better part of 1 full second.
They gotcha. Pay the fine.
Math
30 mph = 44 ft/sec = 2.3 sec / 100 ft
43 mph = 63.1 ft/sec = 1.6 sec / 100 ft
Good luck if you decide to fight it.
PS: The title you gave this thread: "Pulled over wtf"? Wtf? What do you mean? You seem to be in denial. You admitted in a post you were speeding. That's why you were pulled over !
I also disagree with you. There's a BIG difference between 1.6 and 2.3. I've seen analog and digital stopwatches accurate to 1/100 of a second. You're talking about 70/100ths of a second. That's HUGE.
Good luck.
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Yes, victimless. When someone gets hit there are always contributing factors, which are the real reason for the accident. Saying speed kills is like saying guns kill.
Don't confuse stones with stupidity or being to lazy to fight. I've never hurt myself or anyone else but if I hadn't fought (or weaseled out as you put it) I'd have likely lost my license several times and would be being raped by insurance companies right now.
Don't confuse stones with stupidity or being to lazy to fight. I've never hurt myself or anyone else but if I hadn't fought (or weaseled out as you put it) I'd have likely lost my license several times and would be being raped by insurance companies right now.
Ever stop to think maybe you shouldn't have a license then? I mean, I twist my throttle, but if I started spending a significant amount of time trying to weasel out of tickets I deserved, then I'd take a look at my riding instead of complaining about a guy on the internet making a very simple statement:
If you went more than 10 mph over the limit and got caught, pay the damned ticket. You gambled and lost.
And yes, speed kills, dumbass.
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Don't bank on the officer not showing up if you take it to court. LEO's are served a subpoena for court - if they "don't show up" there will be hell to pay. At a minimum they will get disciplined, and at worst terminated if they have prior disciplines for the same violation.
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Don't bank on the officer not showing up if you take it to court. LEO's are served a subpoena for court - if they "don't show up" there will be hell to pay. At a minimum they will get disciplined, and at worst terminated if they have prior disciplines for the same violation.