Oil Filter Removal
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well, its not an opinion. Its fact. Further, it was not just 2016. Even further, you read somewhere that you cant remember seems to be about the same factual information as the rest of your bs.
hiflo and K&n are totally different products, manufactured totally different, with their products having totally different results. And an engine racing on a road track is actually a really good indicator of product quality. But hey. Let your ignorance of facts drive your opinion. No problem. SMH.
my information is completely based on published facts - which I can support with actual data. Yours is , well, um, yeah. Ok. A broken clock is right twice a day. Congrats.
hiflo and K&n are totally different products, manufactured totally different, with their products having totally different results. And an engine racing on a road track is actually a really good indicator of product quality. But hey. Let your ignorance of facts drive your opinion. No problem. SMH.
my information is completely based on published facts - which I can support with actual data. Yours is , well, um, yeah. Ok. A broken clock is right twice a day. Congrats.
It has to be real tiring to be so damn perfect.
Lighten up Francis
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The AFIAK the serious problem was with early KnNs.. The threads were too far from the gasket. Pump didn't blow out the filter but if the stud in the filter mount came loose, it could thread itself into the filter enough to strip out the filter boss then the filter would fall off.. Don't ask me how I know..
Newer KnNs looks the same as Proflow.. I've used all 3.
KnN doesn't make oil filters. They make air filters. I suspect that the oil filters are farmed out.. Especially after the early KnN fiasco.
Newer KnNs looks the same as Proflow.. I've used all 3.
KnN doesn't make oil filters. They make air filters. I suspect that the oil filters are farmed out.. Especially after the early KnN fiasco.
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as opposed to your bs, even you are probably capable of doing a google search. However, not my responsibility to prove a negative. YOU said hiflo made K&n filters. Its your responsibility to back up your bs.
but you cant.
but you cant.
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The AFIAK the serious problem was with early KnNs.. The threads were too far from the gasket. Pump didn't blow out the filter but if the stud in the filter mount came loose, it could thread itself into the filter enough to strip out the filter boss then the filter would fall off.. Don't ask me how I know..
Newer KnNs looks the same as Proflow.. I've used all 3.
KnN doesn't make oil filters. They make air filters. I suspect that the oil filters are farmed out..
Especially after the early KnN fiasco.
Newer KnNs looks the same as Proflow.. I've used all 3.
KnN doesn't make oil filters. They make air filters. I suspect that the oil filters are farmed out..
Especially after the early KnN fiasco.
you are correct in that K&n outsourced manufacturing of oil filters. Quality dropped when they changed to a contract manufacturer in china with lower quality assurance.
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well, it’s not an opinion. It’s fact. Further, it was not just 2016. Even further, you “read somewhere” that you can’t remember seems to be about the same factual information as the rest of your bs.
hiflo and K&n are totally different products, manufactured totally different, with their products having totally different results. And an engine racing on a road track is actually a really good indicator of product quality. But hey. Let your ignorance of facts drive your opinion. No problem. SMH.
my information is completely based on published facts - which I can support with actual data. Yours is , well, um, yeah. Ok. A broken clock is right twice a day. Congrats.
hiflo and K&n are totally different products, manufactured totally different, with their products having totally different results. And an engine racing on a road track is actually a really good indicator of product quality. But hey. Let your ignorance of facts drive your opinion. No problem. SMH.
my information is completely based on published facts - which I can support with actual data. Yours is , well, um, yeah. Ok. A broken clock is right twice a day. Congrats.
Bye now.
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No, the serious problem started in 2015, and was related to welds and crimps failing on the filter body resulting in catastrophic failure during operation. Filters never came off. Never unthreaded. Never got loose. The metal filter body failed and didnt contain the oil.
you are correct in that K&n outsourced manufacturing of oil filters. Quality dropped when they changed to a contract manufacturer in china with lower quality assurance.
you are correct in that K&n outsourced manufacturing of oil filters. Quality dropped when they changed to a contract manufacturer in china with lower quality assurance.
The problem you don't understand with the early KnN filters weren't that they'd unthread. The problem was that there was a big enough gap between the threads on the filter inside and the treads on the filter base that the threaded part of the filter boss could come loose and thread itself into the filter. It would loose enough threads in the boss that the first thread in the aluminum filter boss could fail an the filter simply fell off.. I had it happen while passing a car on a twisty road. Later versions moved the threaded boss in the filter closer to the filter face so it wouldn't happen.
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Well. I've not seen them blow out and been running them on TCs since about 2002.. Built motors. Cold pressure of 60psi. You say they had issues in 2015. Were they HD filters or some other one.. Maybe ones on plain bearing motors where the pressures were higher..
The problem you don't understand with the early KnN filters weren't that they'd unthread. The problem was that there was a big enough gap between the threads on the filter inside and the treads on the filter base that the threaded part of the filter boss could come loose and thread itself into the filter. It would loose enough threads in the boss that the first thread in the aluminum filter boss could fail an the filter simply fell off.. I had it happen while passing a car on a twisty road. Later versions moved the threaded boss in the filter closer to the filter face so it wouldn't happen.
The problem you don't understand with the early KnN filters weren't that they'd unthread. The problem was that there was a big enough gap between the threads on the filter inside and the treads on the filter base that the threaded part of the filter boss could come loose and thread itself into the filter. It would loose enough threads in the boss that the first thread in the aluminum filter boss could fail an the filter simply fell off.. I had it happen while passing a car on a twisty road. Later versions moved the threaded boss in the filter closer to the filter face so it wouldn't happen.
im not saying the unthreading you mention did or did not happen. Only that the failures resulting in bans in the 201xs had nothing to do with unthreading. This was on a wide array of stock engines.
it is just facts. They claimed later to have fixed the issue but it took FAR too long for them to even admit there was an issue in spite of overwhelming evidence for me to ever trust them again.
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Im speaking specifically about documented catastrophic failures on stock engines. Documented sufficiently that race orgs banned them for a period. K&n was FAR too slow at accepting the issue and act.
im not saying the unthreading you mention did or did not happen. Only that the failures resulting in bans in the 201xs had nothing to do with unthreading. This was on a wide array of stock engines.
it is just facts. They claimed later to have fixed the issue but it took FAR too long for them to even admit there was an issue in spite of overwhelming evidence for me to ever trust them again.
im not saying the unthreading you mention did or did not happen. Only that the failures resulting in bans in the 201xs had nothing to do with unthreading. This was on a wide array of stock engines.
it is just facts. They claimed later to have fixed the issue but it took FAR too long for them to even admit there was an issue in spite of overwhelming evidence for me to ever trust them again.