High Speed Chase
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The guy driving is a fool, but a lot of times, so are the police who are chasing them. When I watch those "High Speed Chase" TV shows, I always see a bunch of cops chasing some guy who's running because he has a suspended license or something else minor. Can't help but think about what would happen to some unfortunate biker who happens to get in the way of the chase. Is it really that important to catch a petty criminal that the lives of everyone on the road should be put in danger? Maybe the guy in the video had a hostage in the car or something... in that case, I can see the importance of stopping him. In most other cases, I really can't see the benefit of endangering so many people. They say more people are killed each year from police chases than from police guns. I don't know if that's true, but I wouldn't doubt it.
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The guy drove pretty good! However, in the end it reminds me of a song I heard a long time ago. I FOUGHT THE LAW AND THE LAW WON! LOL
JamieWG it's easy to sit back and Monday morning Quarterback a Police chase when you do not have all the facts. Alot of information is taken into consideration when a LEO initiates a pursuit some of them are: Weather, Time of day, Traffic congestion, is the location around a school and offense just to name a few. You say maybe he has a hostage in the car, then you could see the importance of stopping him. You further say why pursue him over a "petty" crime like driving on a revoked license? Well that's just it Jamie unless you have a crystal ball of some sort then one never knows why the person chooses not to stop. until the car in question is stopped. In my opinion stealing a motor vehicle would not be considered "petty". just my 2 cents.
JamieWG it's easy to sit back and Monday morning Quarterback a Police chase when you do not have all the facts. Alot of information is taken into consideration when a LEO initiates a pursuit some of them are: Weather, Time of day, Traffic congestion, is the location around a school and offense just to name a few. You say maybe he has a hostage in the car, then you could see the importance of stopping him. You further say why pursue him over a "petty" crime like driving on a revoked license? Well that's just it Jamie unless you have a crystal ball of some sort then one never knows why the person chooses not to stop. until the car in question is stopped. In my opinion stealing a motor vehicle would not be considered "petty". just my 2 cents.
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Stealing a car isn't a petty offense, but is it really worth injuring or killing an innocent person in order to catch the thief? People have insurance and cars are stolen all the time. In a lot of places, if you report a stolen car or bike, no one even investigates the crime. Yet when a cop sees a stolen car on the road, the chase is on. How many times have you seen footage of a stolen car chase ending in a spectacular crash involving innocent motorists? The stolen car is destroyed, and people's lives are ruined. But it's ok, because the cops got the crook?
There was recently a show on TV about a some kids on a motorcycle. The cop lit them up and they ran. The rider lost control and crashed coming over a rise in the road. The police car skidded a long way and ran over the passenger in the middle of the road. The 16 yr old kid was totally innocent. The driver of the bike had a suspended license. Was it worth it?
There are thousands of stories just like this. Police have immunity from lawsuits as long as they can say they were properly doing their job. Statistics show that only 3% of police chases result in the capture of someone wanted for a felony offense. 75% of the time, it's for a minor traffic violation.
Here is a link to some good info on this problem. The page loads slowly, but it's worth the wait to read it.
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...ECIAL&Template
There was recently a show on TV about a some kids on a motorcycle. The cop lit them up and they ran. The rider lost control and crashed coming over a rise in the road. The police car skidded a long way and ran over the passenger in the middle of the road. The 16 yr old kid was totally innocent. The driver of the bike had a suspended license. Was it worth it?
There are thousands of stories just like this. Police have immunity from lawsuits as long as they can say they were properly doing their job. Statistics show that only 3% of police chases result in the capture of someone wanted for a felony offense. 75% of the time, it's for a minor traffic violation.
Here is a link to some good info on this problem. The page loads slowly, but it's worth the wait to read it.
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...ECIAL&Template
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So if the police never chased anyone the problem would go away. I think you have something here. Let's disarm the police too. You never know when an officer may have to shoot a person and the bullet misses and kills an innocent civilian. The new and improved warm and fuzzy officer will say "Stop... Or I'll say stop again". I can hear it now.... Oh come on guys, Pleaseeeee... Give the stolen car back...
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So if the police never chased anyone the problem would go away. I think you have something here. Let's disarm the police too. You never know when an officer may have to shoot a person and the bullet misses and kills an innocent civilian. The new and improved warm and fuzzy officer will say "Stop... Or I'll say stop again". I can hear it now.... Oh come on guys, Pleaseeeee... Give the stolen car back...
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So if the police never chased anyone the problem would go away. I think you have something here. Let's disarm the police too. You never know when an officer may have to shoot a person and the bullet misses and kills an innocent civilian. The new and improved warm and fuzzy officer will say "Stop... Or I'll say stop again". I can hear it now.... Oh come on guys, Pleaseeeee... Give the stolen car back...
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I think there should be some definite rules on when a pursuit can take place and exactly how and where it can take place. A good example of when a chase should NOT occur is the death of a Maryland man who was killed in Pennsylvania. It was reported in Motorcycle Online - He was killed when a police officer went too hot into a blind corner, crossed over the center line and hit the on-coming motorcyclist head on. The police officer was chasing a man who was driving with an expired registration sticker on his license plate.
How would you feel if that biker was your son or your brother? Was an expired license plate worth his life?
There was another case in Chicago where a wallet was stolen and the crooks fled in a car. Police recovered the wallet before the chase, but pursued the criminals at high speed on the loop during rush hour traffic. An innocent pregnant woman was killed.
Sure, there are a lot of instances where a chase is the only option. And you can't give criminals free reign to run from the police. But there are plenty of times when a chase is nothing but recklessness on the part of police. As a biker, it is something that concerns me. Police chases were pretty rare events 20 years ago, but they happen a lot more frequently now.
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Did anyone ever wander what happened to old theory of the one breaking the law is the person in the wrong!....Damn don't run and the police won't have to chase....no matter what the reason....![:@]
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Jamie-
In Law Enforcement we have strict guidlines on when to chase and when not to chase. You have some Cities that have even gone to a No Chase Policey which obviously sends the wrong message to criminals. But to answer your question yes there are guidlines that we go by. Now that's not to say the Police Officers are PERFECT. No one is perfect and human beings make mistakes. Like I said earlier it's easy to sit back and Monday morning Quarterback a decision when you don't have all the facts. Jamie it seems to me you have a axe to grind with Police in general. But then again I'm use to someone who does not have a Clue about Law Enforcement tell me how to do my job...I must admit though usually they are telling me on the way to jail.
In Law Enforcement we have strict guidlines on when to chase and when not to chase. You have some Cities that have even gone to a No Chase Policey which obviously sends the wrong message to criminals. But to answer your question yes there are guidlines that we go by. Now that's not to say the Police Officers are PERFECT. No one is perfect and human beings make mistakes. Like I said earlier it's easy to sit back and Monday morning Quarterback a decision when you don't have all the facts. Jamie it seems to me you have a axe to grind with Police in general. But then again I'm use to someone who does not have a Clue about Law Enforcement tell me how to do my job...I must admit though usually they are telling me on the way to jail.
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Jamie-
In Law Enforcement we have strict guidlines on when to chase and when not to chase. You have some Cities that have even gone to a No Chase Policey which obviously sends the wrong message to criminals. But to answer your question yes there are guidlines that we go by. Now that's not to say the Police Officers are PERFECT. No one is perfect and human beings make mistakes. Like I said earlier it's easy to sit back and Monday morning Quarterback a decision when you don't have all the facts. Jamie it seems to me you have a axe to grind with Police in general. But then again I'm use to someone who does not have a Clue about Law Enforcement tell me how to do my job...I must admit though usually they are telling me on the way to jail.
Jamie-
In Law Enforcement we have strict guidlines on when to chase and when not to chase. You have some Cities that have even gone to a No Chase Policey which obviously sends the wrong message to criminals. But to answer your question yes there are guidlines that we go by. Now that's not to say the Police Officers are PERFECT. No one is perfect and human beings make mistakes. Like I said earlier it's easy to sit back and Monday morning Quarterback a decision when you don't have all the facts. Jamie it seems to me you have a axe to grind with Police in general. But then again I'm use to someone who does not have a Clue about Law Enforcement tell me how to do my job...I must admit though usually they are telling me on the way to jail.
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