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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 06:10 AM
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Not sure if this should go under electrical or engine related, but here goes.

Just done the 15k service.&nbsp\\; On checking the spark plugs I find that the rear cylinder plug looks fine, but front cylinder plug has substantial black sooty deposits.&nbsp\\;&nbsp\\; Correct me if I am wrong but black sooty deposit means running rich or not getting a good spark.&nbsp\\; The bike is a 2005 Standard with EFI, so I can't see it being a fuel mixture problem on one cylinder only.&nbsp\\; I have checked the plug cable - no obvious damage.&nbsp\\; Checked the resistance of the cable and it is at the low end of the range in the manual but just in the range.&nbsp\\; (cable for rear cylinder is also at the low end of the range).

I changed the plugs at the 10k service, so there is only 5k on the plug.&nbsp\\; I have spoken to the guy at the local independent, and he can offer no suggestions other than checking what I already checked.&nbsp\\;

Any suggestions?
 
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 07:33 AM
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I'd look for an air leak in the intake manifold seals.
 
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 08:27 AM
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I'll test for leaks, but wouldn't an air leak in the intake cause it to run lean rather than rich?
 
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 10:39 AM
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I don't know that much about fool infection but if the O2 sensor detects a lean burn doesn't it richen up the mixture?
 
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 10:43 AM
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Could be a bad plug. That deal about lean burn&nbsp\\; wiyh leak and richening sounds plausable. 5 bonus points for that word
 
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 10:15 PM
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I see you have V&amp\\;\\\\\\;H pipes. What other mods? Any fuel management device? It is possible to have one cylinder running leaner than the other based on your ecm map.
 
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Old Jun 7, 2008 | 02:49 AM
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Default RE: Bad spark?

I don't have any fuel management device.&nbsp\\; I have been considering a power commander, but not got there yet.

I changed the plugs yesterday, and will try testing for leaks tomorrow all being well.&nbsp\\; Wanted to do it today but its my youngest's birthday party today so I won't have time.

The manual suggests using propane to test for leaks, but I have heard of folk using WD40.&nbsp\\; Anyone tried with WD40?&nbsp\\; Seems that I would be less likely to torch myself or the bike with WD40 than with propane!
 
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Old Jun 8, 2008 | 04:19 AM
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Tested for leaks this morning using the WD40 method, but found nothing.&nbsp\\;

I am going to see how the new plugs fare - I think that is the only way to establish that it was just a bad plug.
 
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Old Jun 11, 2008 | 06:42 PM
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2005 was the year that that harley changed to beehive springs they had problems with the first set of valveguide seals...black ones ... bet you have a bit of a valve guide seal leak!
 
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Old Jun 12, 2008 | 01:43 AM
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Thanks for that, littlet.

I will have to pull the manual out and have a look.&nbsp\\; /is it a big job to check/replace valve guide seals?
 
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