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Mar 10, 2011 | 11:50 AM

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fuelmoto

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From: Little Chute, WI

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Originally Posted by Ganno57

What do you do if your ECM takes a dump and has to be replaced? Guess what, you have to buy another tuner.

If you have an ECM failure and have a Power Vision married on that bike, because the VIN has not changed Dynojet has the ability to remarry the unit thru the update client for no charge so you do not need to purchase a new unit

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Mar 10, 2011 | 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RK09RK

What's needed is an auto tune unit that has real time timing advance up to the point of knock retard so max power is always made on the fly. Timing curves are the biggest mystery to me at this point without extensive datalogging and review and adjustments. I use a SEPST, and can adjust timing, but feel its a trial and error excercise. AutoTiming is the newest need that I can foresee!!!

While the Delphi system has what can be considered as a very good strategy for adaptive knock retard based on knock events, an Auto Tune application for Spark Timing is far more difficult to develop. Knock events can be very inconsistent and are heavily influenced by many factors, however the most important consideration is the factory ion discharge knock sensor system was designed not to optimize timing, rather than to provide a safety margin for the timing tables written in the calibration. There are control systems in other non-HD applications that can essentially add timing to the point of spark knock and use specific algorythms to develop what should be an "ideal" spark table, however these systems use far more complex hardware/strategies for determing precise knock events which may present problems in a HD application. It will be very interesting to see the technology we see going forward and we certainly welcome it

Mar 10, 2011 | 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ganno57

The big problem I have with the PV, SERT, and TTS is that they lock via software to one bike. That is total BS and is only done to get the public and dealers to purchase a unit for every bike. It is done to make the manufacturer money. This is particularly true with the SERT, TTS, and now the PV. It would only take one of these manufacturers to stop that **** and the others would follow. What do you do if your ECM takes a dump and has to be replaced? Guess what, you have to buy another tuner. The best deal out there is still the PCV which it tunable via a dyno for max power yet you can pull it off and take it with you when you change bikes.

The companies that write the software packages to tune today’s high performance modified cars do not pull crap. They do charge tuners a license fee but they can tune as many cars their little heart desires with a single copy

i really don't have a problem with that. of course the company is in business to make money. awful isn't it?

and fuelmoto just shot your 'if your ecm takes a dump....' argument (at least with the powervision) all to heck....

on the flip side, the only reason you can provide for it not to be locked to one bike is for piracy reasons. so who's the real crook here?

Mar 10, 2011 | 01:04 PM

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yes without lokcing them to a VIN they would not sell many as everybody would just pass them around. Not good for business. Would make no sense to a complany to invest R&D into a product only to have it given away for free.

Mar 10, 2011 | 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Cujo

iClick -

Any chance your old PCV-AT with switching on the fly system is for sale ??

I might sell the PCV but probably not the AT unit, as it is still on the bike and I may want to put it to work when DJ comes out with apps for it. Are you looking only for the AT-100 kit?

Mar 10, 2011 | 01:25 PM

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That was a slight concern for me, but I understand why they marry the units to one bike. Otherwise like Mtclassic said you could tune 100 bikes or every bike in the city, and DJ and the others would be out many sales. That would probably not make them feasible to make and as a result we might not have as many tuners to choose from. Also, if they did have this capability they would undoubtedly sell at a higher price. It would be nice if there was a way for a PV or other flash-based tuner to be transferred to another bike for a small fee, however, like DJ could sell additional bike licenses for $100 or $200. I'm not sure a plan like this would stifle sales revenue much, as there would be no overhead on their part (no provision for another PV hardware unit). I'm just speculating here, of course, and this reasoning may be totally bogus. Anyway, I'm sure DJ and the others have thought this concept and others through thoroughly.

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Mar 10, 2011 | 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fuelmoto

I seems like they should do this for a bike that was totaled, too, as if it isn't going back on the road it would seem acceptable to transfer it to another bike.

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Mar 10, 2011 | 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by skratch

on the flip side, the only reason you can provide for it not to be locked to one bike is for piracy reasons. so who's the real crook here?

What crook??? The car industry has been doing it for years, it is called a license fee. Piracy my ***, if you buy the unit you should be able to use it as much as you want to. If you do not know WTF you are talking about maybe you just should keep your mouth shut.