SE tuning vs dyno
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SE tuning vs dyno
Hi all,
I was planning to do my stage 1 upgrade this weekend and wanted to know if SE stage 1 mapping will be suffice vs a dyno.
Reason i'm asking is i have a 2011 heritage with a SE heavy breather that i plan to have installed (i have rush 1.75 slips ons). I know that the SE tuner are predetermined maps for each model harley and since this is a SE product would that suffice?..
or should i have it dyno'd and have a custom map done..
this is my first Harley and obviously my first stage 1 upgrade. I just don't want to spend the extra cash right now to have it dyno'd.
i already have alittle decel pop'ing with the new slip-ons. (i'm checking to see if i have a leak or other problem..like not having the clamps tight enough now or light showing in the muffler ect..) and wanted to know if this will be enough to fix if it's only a lean issue.
Thanks
I was planning to do my stage 1 upgrade this weekend and wanted to know if SE stage 1 mapping will be suffice vs a dyno.
Reason i'm asking is i have a 2011 heritage with a SE heavy breather that i plan to have installed (i have rush 1.75 slips ons). I know that the SE tuner are predetermined maps for each model harley and since this is a SE product would that suffice?..
or should i have it dyno'd and have a custom map done..
this is my first Harley and obviously my first stage 1 upgrade. I just don't want to spend the extra cash right now to have it dyno'd.
i already have alittle decel pop'ing with the new slip-ons. (i'm checking to see if i have a leak or other problem..like not having the clamps tight enough now or light showing in the muffler ect..) and wanted to know if this will be enough to fix if it's only a lean issue.
Thanks
Here is what I think. The SE Map is a generic map that is made for all models that will be close to the model that you have. It will get you into the ballpark of what your bike "should" be running at.
Buying the SE Supertuner and having you bike dynoed would be a better option. When you have your bike dynoed there are over 400 throttle adjustments being made and each one will be for YOUR bike, not just something generic. Another great thing about buying the Supertuner is that if you ever have anything else done to your bike i.e. Big Bore kit, cams etc, you already have the tuner and won't have to buy another one.
If that is still to expensive Cobra has come out with the Cobra Fi2000R PowerPro Tuner Digital Fuel Processor. It is one that will plug right into your bike and do all the fuel controlling for you. It supposedly adjusts 80 times per second to monitor the amount of fuel needed no matter the throttle position.
Hope this helps!
Buying the SE Supertuner and having you bike dynoed would be a better option. When you have your bike dynoed there are over 400 throttle adjustments being made and each one will be for YOUR bike, not just something generic. Another great thing about buying the Supertuner is that if you ever have anything else done to your bike i.e. Big Bore kit, cams etc, you already have the tuner and won't have to buy another one.
If that is still to expensive Cobra has come out with the Cobra Fi2000R PowerPro Tuner Digital Fuel Processor. It is one that will plug right into your bike and do all the fuel controlling for you. It supposedly adjusts 80 times per second to monitor the amount of fuel needed no matter the throttle position.
Hope this helps!
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Hi all,
I was planning to do my stage 1 upgrade this weekend and wanted to know if SE stage 1 mapping will be suffice vs a dyno.
Reason i'm asking is i have a 2011 heritage with a SE heavy breather that i plan to have installed (i have rush 1.75 slips ons). I know that the SE tuner are predetermined maps for each model harley and since this is a SE product would that suffice?..
or should i have it dyno'd and have a custom map done..
this is my first Harley and obviously my first stage 1 upgrade. I just don't want to spend the extra cash right now to have it dyno'd.
i already have alittle decel pop'ing with the new slip-ons. (i'm checking to see if i have a leak or other problem..like not having the clamps tight enough now or light showing in the muffler ect..) and wanted to know if this will be enough to fix if it's only a lean issue.
Thanks
I was planning to do my stage 1 upgrade this weekend and wanted to know if SE stage 1 mapping will be suffice vs a dyno.
Reason i'm asking is i have a 2011 heritage with a SE heavy breather that i plan to have installed (i have rush 1.75 slips ons). I know that the SE tuner are predetermined maps for each model harley and since this is a SE product would that suffice?..
or should i have it dyno'd and have a custom map done..
this is my first Harley and obviously my first stage 1 upgrade. I just don't want to spend the extra cash right now to have it dyno'd.
i already have alittle decel pop'ing with the new slip-ons. (i'm checking to see if i have a leak or other problem..like not having the clamps tight enough now or light showing in the muffler ect..) and wanted to know if this will be enough to fix if it's only a lean issue.
Thanks
I have a Stage IV Race Kit installed, not street legal and tuned even farther out. Don't know if U can get that done at a dealer???
If I could get a tune ignorning epa stuff, (not so lean!!!) then yes! Better for U and the bike!
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thanks guys,
i'm now thinking if the SE tune does not pan out when i complete the stage 1, i'll opt for the super tuner or the fi2000 (i think cobra has one specifically for CA residents).
i'm now thinking if the SE tune does not pan out when i complete the stage 1, i'll opt for the super tuner or the fi2000 (i think cobra has one specifically for CA residents).
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I live in Idaho, we have folks that tune us in ways that would be illegal in California, and we don't have any testing done by anybody. All that may differ where U live.
I have a Stage IV Race Kit installed, not street legal and tuned even farther out. Don't know if U can get that done at a dealer???
If I could get a tune ignorning epa stuff, (not so lean!!!) then yes! Better for U and the bike!
I have a Stage IV Race Kit installed, not street legal and tuned even farther out. Don't know if U can get that done at a dealer???
If I could get a tune ignorning epa stuff, (not so lean!!!) then yes! Better for U and the bike!
most dealer and even shops will not touch aftermarket upgrades on your harley..well unless you really know them.
for me I want that harley sound (slip-ons) and alittle better response (stage 1) not to mention i think that breather looks way better then stock.
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Take in in Stages - YMMV
My opinion and what works for me:
My last two machines had dealer installed Stage 1 upgrades and I rode those with absolutely no problems (except warmer than I liked; and not quite the throttle blade response that I wanted) for over a year each bike before making any significant changes.
The Heritage used the SERT; and the Ultra had no tuner. I added oil coolers to each that addressed the cooling issues with great results.
Then, I upgraded the engines in each (see sig below); the Heritage had the TTS (great tuner); and after the Ultra engine build, 6 months ago, I added the DynoJet Power Vision.
For me, the PV works great. Again, for me, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread so to speak.
Check here: https://www.hdforums.com/forum/elect...-by-admin.html
In my experience with the PV, you can get 90+% of the tune that a several hour dyno tune will give you.
It directly flashes the ECM rather than being an 'add on' device.
You can save your OEM tune if for some reason you need that for any type inspection, etc.
There are literally dozens of tunes (maps) matched for your machine and upgrades on both the DynoJet website for download; or from Fuel Moto (vendor here!).
YMMV, but I've used the SERT, the TTS, and the PV; for me PV works the way I like to ride and tweak -- easy, effective, immediate, no dyno required, no PC required, etc.
Of course every system has its pros/cons and opinions... you just received mine -- but, you asked. Good luck to you.
My last two machines had dealer installed Stage 1 upgrades and I rode those with absolutely no problems (except warmer than I liked; and not quite the throttle blade response that I wanted) for over a year each bike before making any significant changes.
The Heritage used the SERT; and the Ultra had no tuner. I added oil coolers to each that addressed the cooling issues with great results.
Then, I upgraded the engines in each (see sig below); the Heritage had the TTS (great tuner); and after the Ultra engine build, 6 months ago, I added the DynoJet Power Vision.
For me, the PV works great. Again, for me, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread so to speak.
Check here: https://www.hdforums.com/forum/elect...-by-admin.html
In my experience with the PV, you can get 90+% of the tune that a several hour dyno tune will give you.
It directly flashes the ECM rather than being an 'add on' device.
You can save your OEM tune if for some reason you need that for any type inspection, etc.
There are literally dozens of tunes (maps) matched for your machine and upgrades on both the DynoJet website for download; or from Fuel Moto (vendor here!).
YMMV, but I've used the SERT, the TTS, and the PV; for me PV works the way I like to ride and tweak -- easy, effective, immediate, no dyno required, no PC required, etc.
Of course every system has its pros/cons and opinions... you just received mine -- but, you asked. Good luck to you.
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