Taking motor out
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I also laid my engine on its side and then laid the frame over top of it. I bolted all the mounts and then stood it up. I didn't have one scratch and I didn't mask a thing.
I wish I'd done it when I took it apart because it felt like 188lbs coming out.
I wish I'd done it when I took it apart because it felt like 188lbs coming out.
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The epoxy has a definite thickness to it and this will interfere with mounting the engine correctly. Should you paint the mount surface, also expect the paint to crack around the area when the engine is installed.
Ditto that if you choose to use powder coat..............pg
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I don't remove the paint from the rear motor mount and have never had any problem. In fact haven't thought about until now. I suppose the paint could be so thick that it affects motor placement, but in the past forty years I've never had that problem. As for the axle, you don't want any paint on it for the obvious reasons.
Pinion, I use PPG paint myself and am amazed at the durability. It also looks, at least to my eye, a lot better than powder coat.
Pinion, I use PPG paint myself and am amazed at the durability. It also looks, at least to my eye, a lot better than powder coat.
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I don't remove the paint from the rear motor mount and have never had any problem. In fact haven't thought about until now. I suppose the paint could be so thick that it affects motor placement, but in the past forty years I've never had that problem. As for the axle, you don't want any paint on it for the obvious reasons.
Pinion, I use PPG paint myself and am amazed at the durability. It also looks, at least to my eye, a lot better than powder coat.
Pinion, I use PPG paint myself and am amazed at the durability. It also looks, at least to my eye, a lot better than powder coat.
Better than powder coat? Oh I totally agree with you!
A lot of people think powder coating is the greatest thing ever done to coat a frame. I really disagree with that.
I always use PPG products myself. Shoot a couple of coats of clear over the epoxy paint and it looks like it is an inch deep.
Now for color I use Color Concept as I said, but I do have one complaint with it.
This paint is really, really hard and that means it will chip easily when hit with gravel etc. My old Sporty and my trailer both have CC on them and while the bike is in good shape, the trailer has a bit of chips in the fenders from gravel.
PPG has a less 'hard' line of paint but the trade off there is it will not hold up like Color Concept, so I decided to stick with the CC myself.
I apply 2 to 3 mils of primer and about 4 mils of paint and a couple more of clear on a project. That starts to make a measurable build of thickness, thus the reason I always mask off the engine mount area myself. Maybe I could just paint it, but I am still doing it the way I was taught..............pg
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Hi Moon Wolf......
Better than powder coat? Oh I totally agree with you!
A lot of people think powder coating is the greatest thing ever done to coat a frame. I really disagree with that.
I always use PPG products myself. Shoot a couple of coats of clear over the epoxy paint and it looks like it is an inch deep.
Now for color I use Color Concept as I said, but I do have one complaint with it.
This paint is really, really hard and that means it will chip easily when hit with gravel etc. My old Sporty and my trailer both have CC on them and while the bike is in good shape, the trailer has a bit of chips in the fenders from gravel.
PPG has a less 'hard' line of paint but the trade off there is it will not hold up like Color Concept, so I decided to stick with the CC myself.
I apply 2 to 3 mils of primer and about 4 mils of paint and a couple more of clear on a project. That starts to make a measurable build of thickness, thus the reason I always mask off the engine mount area myself. Maybe I could just paint it, but I am still doing it the way I was taught..............pg
Better than powder coat? Oh I totally agree with you!
A lot of people think powder coating is the greatest thing ever done to coat a frame. I really disagree with that.
I always use PPG products myself. Shoot a couple of coats of clear over the epoxy paint and it looks like it is an inch deep.
Now for color I use Color Concept as I said, but I do have one complaint with it.
This paint is really, really hard and that means it will chip easily when hit with gravel etc. My old Sporty and my trailer both have CC on them and while the bike is in good shape, the trailer has a bit of chips in the fenders from gravel.
PPG has a less 'hard' line of paint but the trade off there is it will not hold up like Color Concept, so I decided to stick with the CC myself.
I apply 2 to 3 mils of primer and about 4 mils of paint and a couple more of clear on a project. That starts to make a measurable build of thickness, thus the reason I always mask off the engine mount area myself. Maybe I could just paint it, but I am still doing it the way I was taught..............pg
Although I prefer paint, powder coating actually does a better job in some cases at resisting oil and gas than paint does. Not that I'm saying epoxy based paint isn't good at it, just that in some occasions powder coating is superior. Although, people are allowed to have their own opinions.
I still somewhat disagree with you on the baking of the parts with epoxy. I have been painting vehicles for a long time (granted not as long as you), but I still find my paint sets better and chips less if I "bake" it. I of course was exaggerating when I said my shed was 130 degrees. But 90-100 yes. This is why I quote bake. I know its not actually baking the paint as we used to do with enamel or lacquer but still the paint is baking in higher temps than the ambient temp.
On the paint selection. PPG is a great brand of paint and is easily accessible in that most auto body paint stores around town carry it. However, for color coat, I always and will always prefer House of Kolor.
But like I said we all have our own opinions. No one is neither wrong nor right!
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I was looking at the motor today and I decided to give the thread a chance. Now you said the right, now do you mean tilting out the brake side right. I looked under the frame I did notice that the motor sits in between the frame and sits lower a little( the motor). Now how does it work out for this type of frame Do the orig frame motor sit the same way. Thanks for your help. I was going to get one of those lifts that lift the hole bike to give me some help. How much does these motor weigh the motor is a early 84 with a gen.
Pinion, your back had to be hurting after doing it yourself...I had to have my wife help which was pretty much the same as doing it myself.
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OK, I gotta tell the whole story here.
I nailed together 4 pieces of wood (like a picture frame) and nailed a piece of plywood on top of that. Finished, it looked like a box and was the same height off the floor as the top of the frame tubes.
I had to lift the 188 lbs up high enough to get above the frame, then I just moved it sideways on to the box. If I were required to let the engine down to the floor gently (what, another 6 inches?) I would have never made it!
And yes, I had to stand there and think about it for a long time when the engine went back in. That was much more difficult because I did not want to mark the new paint.........pg
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If I lay the bike on its side I should lay her on the primary side and have lots of cushion. Is there going to be any internal damage that can happen/ I will take off the shifter handle bars oil tank battary and drain the oil and trans etc that will be sticking out If I decide not to lean her can take the motor out the brake side and install her the same side I have a picture of the bobber in my gallary Thanks guys I just want a smooth transfer and no motor damage it is hard to find a good ironhead mechanic around, that is why you have to do it yourself.I never got into the motor but I can do other things
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