LiveWire Observations
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From: xyzzy
A follow up to my follow up of 3/22/2020. The dealership has added two more Livewire bikes to its existing stock of six. They were added around mid April. So now there are eight of them - three black, three copper and two yellow-green. You can see 'em on the dealership's web site here:
https://thundermountainharley.com/Sh...tory/New/Sport
And, based on their unchanging stock numbers, not a single one has sold. Make of it what you will, but it's pretty hard to deny that Livewire sales, at least at this large dealership, are not going well. In fact, it's an absolute disaster.
https://thundermountainharley.com/Sh...tory/New/Sport
And, based on their unchanging stock numbers, not a single one has sold. Make of it what you will, but it's pretty hard to deny that Livewire sales, at least at this large dealership, are not going well. In fact, it's an absolute disaster.
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A follow up to my follow up of 3/22/2020. The dealership has added two more Livewire bikes to its existing stock of six. They were added around mid April. So now there are eight of them - three black, three copper and two yellow-green. You can see 'em on the dealership's web site here:
https://thundermountainharley.com/Sh...tory/New/Sport
And, based on their unchanging stock numbers, not a single one has sold. Make of it what you will, but it's pretty hard to deny that Livewire sales, at least at this large dealership, are not going well. In fact, it's an absolute disaster.
https://thundermountainharley.com/Sh...tory/New/Sport
And, based on their unchanging stock numbers, not a single one has sold. Make of it what you will, but it's pretty hard to deny that Livewire sales, at least at this large dealership, are not going well. In fact, it's an absolute disaster.
You can have a great products and it still won't sell well if there is no market for it, or if you price is too high.
The Livewire is a great motorcycle, I just can't justify spending $30K on it.
But then I'm looking at getting a new touring bike and my mind can't justify spending $28K on a new Ultra when I can get a new Kawasaki Voyager for $13,500.
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You can have a great products and it still won't sell well if there is no market for it, or if you price is too high.
The Livewire is a great motorcycle, I just can't justify spending $30K on it.
But then I'm looking at getting a new touring bike and my mind can't justify spending $28K on a new Ultra when I can get a new Kawasaki Voyager for $13,500.
The Livewire is a great motorcycle, I just can't justify spending $30K on it.
But then I'm looking at getting a new touring bike and my mind can't justify spending $28K on a new Ultra when I can get a new Kawasaki Voyager for $13,500.
I've test ridden a few of Voyagers but they seemed to be top heavy and very heavy off the side stand.
If someone is looking for a touring motorcycle that's budget friendly and they have no desire to do anything to it but add pipes and a tuner or ride the "latest and greatest", it may be a good choice for some riders.
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And the Voyager comes with a 3 year unlimited millage warranty too.
I've test ridden a few of Voyagers but they seemed to be top heavy and very heavy off the side stand.
If someone is looking for a touring motorcycle that's budget friendly and they have no desire to do anything to it but add pipes and a tuner or ride the "latest and greatest", it may be a good choice for some riders.
I've test ridden a few of Voyagers but they seemed to be top heavy and very heavy off the side stand.
If someone is looking for a touring motorcycle that's budget friendly and they have no desire to do anything to it but add pipes and a tuner or ride the "latest and greatest", it may be a good choice for some riders.
I don't want to turn this into a Voyager thread. I haven't taken one for a ride yet, I may hate it. I've heard they tend to scrape pegs in corners, and one of my Legion Rider buddies had a Vaquero, I recall hearing him scrape the floorboards as he followed me on my Sportster, and I wasn't close to scraping my pegs. So I'll have to take one for a ride and see if the low price is worth it to me or not. And that's the same for the Livewire. Anyone looking to buy an electric motorcycle should take one for a ride. I have, I've also ridden the zero, I think the Livewire is a better motorcycle, is it $5,000 better that is something the buyer will have to figure out for themselves.
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From: xyzzy
Yet another month has come and gone and the eight Livewire bikes that I have been keeping track of are just not getting any love. So would somebody, anybody, please buy one? One would think that the dealership (Thunder Mountain H-D), after sitting on these same bikes for quite a few months now, would be motivated to "deal". At least a little bit. Does that make sense or am I having an unrealistic expectation? Anyhoo, see ya'll next month. Maybe magic will happen and a few of 'em will disappear. :-)
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I have been on the Livewire fence for weeks now. I firmly believe riding it is the most fun you can have on 2 wheels. But not having Level 2 charging is a deal breaker. The price is also too high, but the charging situation is what is keeping me from buying it.
What are the odds Level 2 charging is added to the bike in 2021?
What are the odds Level 2 charging is added to the bike in 2021?
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I have been on the Livewire fence for weeks now. I firmly believe riding it is the most fun you can have on 2 wheels. But not having Level 2 charging is a deal breaker. The price is also too high, but the charging situation is what is keeping me from buying it.
What are the odds Level 2 charging is added to the bike in 2021?
What are the odds Level 2 charging is added to the bike in 2021?
But I don't know how much space and weight adding a Level II charger along with the Level I and Level III chargers would add. From the pictures I have seen of the "Tank" removed there is not a whole lot of extra space on the Livewire.
When I went to the Livewire demo truck last August I talked with one of the engineers there and mentioned the lack of Level II charging. He said they hear that complaint often, that he couldn't say anything, but to expect an announcement soon. That was 9 months ago, so I don't know what his definition of "soon" is, but it's not the same as mine.
I think that when Harley made the decision to make the Livewire they decided Level III Fast DC charging was the future of EV's and that they would build the Livewire for the future not the past.
I also think that Harley should have just licensed Tesla charging technology so you could use any Tesla fast charging station. With that you could pretty much ride cross country.
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everybody has different needs - I charge mine in my garage (when needed) overnight. If your mindset is highway riding, electric is not for you. I easily commute to work (~45 miles round-trip) with plenty left to have fun, and then I just plug in at end of day and start all over. I have several other ICE bikes that are in the rotation as well, so another point is that this is not an "only" bike...it is an add on. I have not given level 2 or level 3 for that matter any consideration. Given my riding habits, I don't foresee ever needing it. In fact, I use the under seat charger storage area for a fold up back-pack instead of the charger which just stays in my garage.
Lots of speculation, but real world use is a completely different matter. I would not hesitate to buy this again
Lots of speculation, but real world use is a completely different matter. I would not hesitate to buy this again
