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Jan 16, 2018 | 06:26 PM

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Keithhu

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Originally Posted by 6113_

is he saying that it is capable of providing in theory or is capable of providing and distributing?

Generating and delivering are 2 very different things.

Jan 16, 2018 | 06:56 PM

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Where is all the electricity going to come from to charge electric cars if everyone has one?

Dat ole debil coal.

Jan 16, 2018 | 07:24 PM

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A Tesla can go 300 miles on a $7 charge of electricity. That's two and a third cents a mile. So yeah, you'll pay them, just not as much. Not only that, Tesla has a million mile power train warranty. Not much there to wear out. It is one reason GM and Ford have avoided going electric as long as they have, no maintenance money coming in.

Economics 101. Supply and demand, as the demand goes up electric rates will raise. There's already talk of paying taxes per mile driven as well. Right now gas,tax goes to road work (at least in a lot of states of not all). The states will need to recoup the lost revenue as fuel demand goes down. I'm all for electric vehicles don't get me wrong, my point is simply that the cost we pay noe will more than likely just get pushed somewhere else. Electric rates will probably go up, additional taxes will probably be enacted, etc.

Jan 16, 2018 | 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 6113_

is he saying that it is capable of providing in theory or is capable of providing and distributing?

I don't want to speak for him, so here's the quote:

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“If you wanted to power the entire United States with solar panels, it would take a fairly small corner of Nevada or Texas or Utah; you only need about 100 miles by 100 miles of solar panels to power the entire United States,” Musk said at at the event in Rhode Island. “The batteries you need to store the energy, so you have 24/7 power, is 1 mile by 1 mile. One square-mile.”

And here's the story on it:
https://www.inverse.com/article/3423...-power-the-usa

Jan 16, 2018 | 07:27 PM

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Tesla's founder Elon Musk says that if we took just a small chunk of the panhandle of Texas or Nevada (about 100 x 100 miles) and covered it with solar panels, it would provide 100% of the energy needs of the entire country.

Yea, as long as the sun is shining. Funny thing, solar panels don't generate anything when the sun is on the other side of the planet. For solar powered electrical grid to work, it's output must be "normalized" to provide a continuous supply 24/7. And therein lies the second rub; total efficiency needs to includes light energy to electric energy to stored energy back to electric energy. Lots of conversion losses to work on before it becomes a reliable energy system.

Jan 16, 2018 | 07:33 PM

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Wmoor004

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I understand why many HD riders have allowed the EPA restriction to control what are willing to do with the bikes, As for me, I refuse to let HD control what I do with my bike, therefore, I went aftermarket (exhaust/Header) soon as I purchased my bike and I am more than willing to foot the bill should something happen. With that being said, the EPA restriction will not be going away and even if they did, HD is locked in on people buy SE parts. They gotta make that money. LOL!

Jan 16, 2018 | 09:19 PM

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I believe that the costs to recharge a motor vehicle which uses a battery will rise significantly as more and more hit the road.
The reason being that currently a large portion of the money to build and maintain the existing road infrastructure comes from gasoline taxes. As fewer and fewer internal combustion engines purchase less gasoline, the money has to come from somewhere else. The logical place has to be electricity. The states and fed government will simply collect new taxes to replace those lost from declining gasoline sales. Ain't this country great?

Jan 16, 2018 | 09:24 PM

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another battery question is, do we have access to resources to accommodate bringing over 300 electric vehicles on-line in the next 25 years for both initial requirements and sustainment, and how long can those resources be sustained?