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Oh too funny. That old article that caused so much debate over old Donny accidentally spreading incorrect information. Too funny someone would quote that and try to use it as something to learn from. ha ha ha noob.
I have an M8 so I am going to weigh in here...... if you don’t like what someone is saying PUT THEM ON IGNORE AND STOP QUOTING THEM.... it is not the Mods jobs to oversee squabbling. ..... and the report button is not for you to hit every time you get an owchie, because every time you do it sends all of us Mods an email.
Right, about my M8.... no sumping issues at 22,000 miles.
I have to very much agree with your comment on the aftermarket builds. Its truly one of the more baffling aspects of sumping, at least to me, over the past 3 years.
Why do we not hear more reports of sumping with larger displacement aftermarket builds?? Either its occurring in these larger builds but not being posted about because the aftermarket businesses don't want to scare off potential customers or perhaps the changes they are making in the bigger builds is actually correcting the design issue from the factory. Or maybe there's some entirely different explanation.
But the lack of sumping reports with aftermarket builds in the M8 is definitely a curious factor to the saga.
Originally Posted by $tonecold
The statement that I circled below is not true. The engine on an M8 has no connection to the transmission other than the transmission being a vehicle for attaching the oil pan. The engine is a sealed unit that has one exit to the outside, the breathers. Some have said they are defective or too small, but that is a different debate. Although Mr. Petersen is making some good points which may explain why the Softail engine doesn't sump, I have a hard time trusting someone that espouses a basic about the engine that isn't true.
On a different note, it is baffling to me that we have not heard of any aftermarket builds sumping, that I can remember anyway. With all the big inch builds that have been done by numerous builders I don't remember a thread about one of them having this problem.
Last edited by Heatwave; Feb 14, 2019 at 09:59 AM.
I have to very much agree with your comment on the aftermarket builds. Its truly one of the more baffling aspects of sumping, at least to me, over the past 3 years.
Why do we not hear more reports of sumping with larger displacement aftermarket builds?? Either its occurring in these larger builds but not being posted about because the aftermarket businesses don't want to scare off potential customers or perhaps the changes they are making in the bigger builds is actually correcting the design issue from the factory. Or maybe there's some entirely different explanation.
But the lack of sumping reports with aftermarket builds in the M8 is definitely a curious factor to the saga.
Really? I don't believe for a second that something negative could happen to somebody on this forum without it being reported. People who have never thought about posting join just so they can tell everybody about the problem they are having with their M8, but that's is one function of the forum. Honestly I would probably never have known my M8 was transferring had it not been for MJ's thread. And even though many complain about you and I'll admit that I don't understand why you continue to berate a company that really did you about as right as they could have, you have been helpful to many of us trying to understand the sumping problem. So if there's been a sumping problem by an aftermarket build I am almost 100% certain we would have heard about it.
Really? I don't believe for a second that something negative could happen to somebody on this forum without it being reported. People who have never thought about posting join just so they can tell everybody about the problem they are having with their M8, but that's is one function of the forum. Honestly I would probably never have known my M8 was transferring had it not been for MJ's thread. And even though many complain about you and I'll admit that I don't understand why you continue to berate a company that really did you about as right as they could have, you have been helpful to many of us trying to understand the sumping problem. So if there's been a sumping problem by an aftermarket build I am almost 100% certain we would have heard about it.
A bike owner that goes bigger displacement with an aftermarket builder on an M8 simply doesn't care about warranty. IMO, he's also not likely to share a negative experience with the builder since he's now solely dependent on the builder for a solution. And of course the Builder...well he's building engines, not necessarily posting about engine build issues.
I just happen to believe the opposite, that a guy having a significant issue after going aftermarket is unlikely to publicize if he's having a sumping issue. OTOH, if he's not having any issues because the build runs terrific, well.... then there's nothing to report. That's why I said its a surprising aspect of sumping, at least to me.
BTW, what you and others view as "berating" or "bashing" is what I view as transparency. You won't find a single post of mine where I berate HD. I share my experiences, facts and certainly my opinions but you'll be hard-pressed to find a post of mine that "berates" the MoCo. Disappointment... yes, particularly after seeing this issue fester for 3 years but not berating in my view.
Last edited by Heatwave; Feb 14, 2019 at 10:53 AM.
Heatwave, you have zero credibility. Absolutely none. You can no longer be taken seriously because your veil has been removed. You are not a champion to new M8 owners. You are of no help to those that really do have sumping problems. And the rest of us who have good bikes and enjoy them are tired of you jumping on every thread espousing your transparent hatred of the HD brand. More and more users continue to call you out on it. You love it. That's really sad.
he's a cancer here, he thinks he's contributing and helping but is just having the opposite counterproductive effect from his original intentions, folks just don't care to listen to his opinions any longer...I've actually been refraining lately from comments but man..on the new post "When Can I Assume Bike Will Not Sump?....I wanted to reply....when Heatwave meets with the HD Board of Directors and they authorize him to go public with the permanent resolution
Yes. True, but a bit of sympathy for the devil. There's some sort of behavioral malfunction going on. It seems the same as religious or political nutbaggery. Some poor, benighted folks just can't help themselves. They imagine they're heroes, standing firm against the tide of unbelief. They don't notice everyone around them rolling their eyes...
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Heatwave, you have zero credibility. Absolutely none. You can no longer be taken seriously because your veil has been removed. You are not a champion to new M8 owners. You are of no help to those that really do have sumping problems. And the rest of us who have good bikes and enjoy them are tired of you jumping on every thread espousing your transparent hatred of the HD brand. More and more users continue to call you out on it. You love it. That's really sad.
Your views of my credibility are simply irrelevant. You are welcome to whatever views you wish to express. If you don't like my posts, you can put me on your ignore list, skip over my posts, disagree with me or agree with me. You have the right to do as you please within the rules of the forum. But I don't want or need your credibility. If you are "sad", well.... that's your problem to deal with as well.
I have as much right as you or anyone else to share my views, help others that reach out to me or share opinions and facts gathered from others. That's the point of HDForums. What you do with them is solely up to you. I don't wake up in the morning worrying about how much "credibility" you give me since its utterly meaningless. I would only need credibility on a forum if I was selling something and I have nothing to sell or gain from any of my posts.
I do not profess to be a champion for anyone but I stand ready to help anyone that asks. As I've said before, I challenge you or anyone to find a single post over the decade I've been posting where I've shown ANY hatred toward HD. Good luck... because it doesn't exist.
The only hatred is that shown by a few small minds towards those expressing facts and opinions that they disagree with. And that my friend, is hatred that only corrodes the vessel carrying it.
Last edited by Heatwave; Feb 14, 2019 at 11:49 AM.
Heatwave, you have zero credibility. Absolutely none. You can no longer be taken seriously because your veil has been removed. You are not a champion to new M8 owners. You are of no help to those that really do have sumping problems. And the rest of us who have good bikes and enjoy them are tired of you jumping on every thread espousing your transparent hatred of the HD brand. More and more users continue to call you out on it. You love it. That's really sad.
If your speaking for the fanboyz, maybe his credibility is zero but I can tell you this, if I needed to ask someone a question about sumping, and it wasn't one of the speed shops that know how to create it on the dyno, I'd be asking someone who's experienced the problem, knows what it feels like and knows what it took to get there(Heatwave).
The last person I'd want chiming in is someone who claims they "take corners scrapping floorboards", as if this is the criteria that proves they ride hard, yet they've never experienced sumping....That they know of.... if they even know what it feels like.... or if their bike has possibly every recovered from it and they never knew...
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