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Old Jun 8, 2018 | 12:36 PM
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Looking for additional capacity oil pan for my 17, RGS. Is there one out there?
 
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Did you have any luck finding one?
 
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Old Sep 5, 2019 | 11:01 AM
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Some people are using smaller amounts of oil, now people want bigger carter! what would be the reason for this?
 
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Some people are using smaller amounts of oil, now people want bigger carter! what would be the reason for this?
More oil means it spends more time dropping heat before recirculating. Reportedly cools the motor about 10 degrees, at least on Twin Cam models it did.
 
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Old Sep 5, 2019 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Thingfish
More oil means it spends more time dropping heat before recirculating. Reportedly cools the motor about 10 degrees, at least on Twin Cam models it did.
Others more knowledgeable will chime in, but if I recall what was said, a larger pan does not keep the engine cooler, it just takes longer to get to operating temp.
 
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Originally Posted by Keithhu
Others more knowledgeable will chime in, but if I recall what was said, a larger pan does not keep the engine cooler, it just takes longer to get to operating temp.
Fact: There is no bad reason for more oil available to the engine.
Fact: Additional oil means longer time before overheating occurs.
Fact: Keeping oil below 270 degs helps with oil and engine longevity. (Oil traveling over the heads is superheated)
Fact: An oil cooler fan helps with slow speed oil cooling.
Fact: Synthetic oils are more heat tolerant than dino oils. Air cooled engines are not temperature controlled like liquid cooled engines so it’s normal to experience huge swings in temperature on air cooled engines so the better a lubricant can deal with these big temperature variations while riding down the street.
Opinion: Additional oil coolers are desired when operating in high temp environments, such as Arizona or southern heat and humidity. Ask Bob Wood (wood cams) how many oil coolers he reccomends for high heat environments.
Just my facts and opinion based on my experiences as a mechanic and tuner.
Bob
 
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Doesn't Harley make a high capacity oil pan ? Screaming Eagle part 24400099 for 09-16 various models. Baker drivetrain makes one also ,1.5 extra quart and a half of oil capacity.
 

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the op asked for his 17. you answered it yourself when you said 09-16 models...
 
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Originally Posted by Keithhu
Others more knowledgeable will chime in, but if I recall what was said, a larger pan does not keep the engine cooler, it just takes longer to get to operating temp.

+1 to others more knowledgeable than me chiming in. It’s my understanding that oil is lubricating and cooling the engine. The cooler the oil the more it pulls temps down. The larger the pool of liquid the slower it heats up in general, it also means more of it is cooling in the pan before being sent back into the plumbing to circulate. The engine is constantly changing temps based on motor use/load, and ambient temps. The oil is always a cooling influence, even when warm it does not generate additional heat, it merely conducts it away towards the pan where it cools.

I don’t remember a lot of controversy about the larger oil pan being of benefit, more about the cost to benefit ratio. Some felt 10 degrees cooler was not enough to justify the cost. Others combine it with oil coolers and head fans and claimed all combined they significantly reduced temps.

Personally I haven’t had any heat issues with our two M8s.
 
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Originally Posted by Thingfish
+1 to others more knowledgeable than me chiming in. It’s my understanding that oil is lubricating and cooling the engine. The cooler the oil the more it pulls temps down. The larger the pool of liquid the slower it heats up in general, it also means more of it is cooling in the pan before being sent back into the plumbing to circulate. The engine is constantly changing temps based on motor use/load, and ambient temps. The oil is always a cooling influence, even when warm it does not generate additional heat, it merely conducts it away towards the pan where it cools.

I don’t remember a lot of controversy about the larger oil pan being of benefit, more about the cost to benefit ratio. Some felt 10 degrees cooler was not enough to justify the cost. Others combine it with oil coolers and head fans and claimed all combined they significantly reduced temps.

Personally I haven’t had any heat issues with our two M8s.
I could be wrong, but I thought it was Jamie from Fuel Moto saying a larger oil pan wont keep the engine cooler, but I could be wrong.
 
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