Sumping Issue? 2017 SG CVO
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Well......... I had everything laid out so I could test it after about a 100 mile ride today. Didnt make it home. Bike sumped so bad that it completely stopped.Power was almost completely gone before it sumped. The oil showed about 1 1/2 quarts low and smelled super burned. The bike acts as if it completely lost compression.
Either way I had the second dealer come pick it up off the side of the road so now its a waiting game. To be honest I'm hoping its a complete new motor but we will see.
Either way I had the second dealer come pick it up off the side of the road so now its a waiting game. To be honest I'm hoping its a complete new motor but we will see.
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Well......... I had everything laid out so I could test it after about a 100 mile ride today. Didnt make it home. Bike sumped so bad that it completely stopped.Power was almost completely gone before it sumped. The oil showed about 1 1/2 quarts low and smelled super burned. The bike acts as if it completely lost compression.
Either way I had the second dealer come pick it up off the side of the road so now its a waiting game. To be honest I'm hoping its a complete new motor but we will see.
Either way I had the second dealer come pick it up off the side of the road so now its a waiting game. To be honest I'm hoping its a complete new motor but we will see.
Unfortunately the best outcome is that the engine "got tight" from the excessive heat and they authorize a replacement engine. I'm convinced they are shipping all replacement engines with the latest upgrades going into the 2019 engines and that's the fastest path to an engine you can ride with greater confidence. Good luck!
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I'm afraid to say "it'll all depend". If you pretty much pulled over as you were feeling the loss in power, you may not have damaged anything...that's the good news. The bad news is that HD will want to install a new oil pump, if there's no damage to the bearings. And sadly, the new oil pump is unlikely to solve the issue.
Unfortunately the best outcome is that the engine "got tight" from the excessive heat and they authorize a replacement engine. I'm convinced they are shipping all replacement engines with the latest upgrades going into the 2019 engines and that's the fastest path to an engine you can ride with greater confidence. Good luck!
Unfortunately the best outcome is that the engine "got tight" from the excessive heat and they authorize a replacement engine. I'm convinced they are shipping all replacement engines with the latest upgrades going into the 2019 engines and that's the fastest path to an engine you can ride with greater confidence. Good luck!
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I haven't seen a Harley revised cam plate part #. Not saying it doesn't exist, just haven't seen anyone report a new Cam Plate part # from Harley. I would think if there was one, they would have issued a updated version of SB1450. I think its still the same SB as last Nov.
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I'm afraid to say "it'll all depend". If you pretty much pulled over as you were feeling the loss in power, you may not have damaged anything...that's the good news. The bad news is that HD will want to install a new oil pump, if there's no damage to the bearings. And sadly, the new oil pump is unlikely to solve the issue.
Unfortunately the best outcome is that the engine "got tight" from the excessive heat and they authorize a replacement engine. I'm convinced they are shipping all replacement engines with the latest upgrades going into the 2019 engines and that's the fastest path to an engine you can ride with greater confidence. Good luck!
Unfortunately the best outcome is that the engine "got tight" from the excessive heat and they authorize a replacement engine. I'm convinced they are shipping all replacement engines with the latest upgrades going into the 2019 engines and that's the fastest path to an engine you can ride with greater confidence. Good luck!
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I haven't seen a Harley revised cam plate part #. Not saying it doesn't exist, just haven't seen anyone report a new Cam Plate part # from Harley. I would think if there was one, they would have issued a updated version of SB1450. I think its still the same SB as last Nov.
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I rode it until to stopped on it own. It seems to have lost all compression. Every light on the dash was on. I was about a mile from the house and was planning on testing the amount of oil coming out of the CPS but she died and would not crank at first, then would crank when it cooled some, but would not start.
Haven't heard about a prototype plate for the '17s and 18's but its certainly possible. No clue how oil could "migrate" from anywhere INTO the crankcase. That's a new one.
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I rode it until to stopped on it own. It seems to have lost all compression. Every light on the dash was on. I was about a mile from the house and was planning on testing the amount of oil coming out of the CPS but she died and would not crank at first, then would crank when it cooled some, but would not start.
When I talked to the dealer after it was picked up and he said Harley had shipped him a prototype plate to use on an 18 he had last week. . Harley thinks the oil might be migrating through the bearings and the new plate seals it off. Just what he told me so I have no reason to doubt him.
Please keep us posted on how things go with the dealer
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Sounds like you may have cooked it, not a bad thing IMO in your case. That, hopefully, should get you a whole new engine
That sounds more like a fix for the transmission oil migration issue, sumping is a whole different situation, although many are confusing the two and some bikes have both issues
Please keep us posted on how things go with the dealer
That sounds more like a fix for the transmission oil migration issue, sumping is a whole different situation, although many are confusing the two and some bikes have both issues
Please keep us posted on how things go with the dealer