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Old Aug 19, 2018 | 06:03 PM
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Sounds like a busted engine. They SHOULD authorize replacement. Let us know.

Haven't heard about a prototype plate for the '17s and 18's but its certainly possible. No clue how oil could "migrate" from anywhere INTO the crankcase. That's a new one.
I will be pushing for a complete motor.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2018 | 11:47 PM
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Very informative. My 2018 CVO SG is sumpting as well. The Dealer and MoCo are giving me the song & dance. It’s showing all the above symptoms described here. What’s scary is that I’m not reading of a fix, cure or remedy to this predicament. Has any one got a new pump that stoped the sumpting? Or a replacement engine?
Im mad as hell...
 
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Old Aug 20, 2018 | 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Heatwave
Sounds like a busted engine. They SHOULD authorize replacement. Let us know.

Haven't heard about a prototype plate for the '17s and 18's but its certainly possible. No clue how oil could "migrate" from anywhere INTO the crankcase. That's a new one.
There is precedent:

https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...wist-help.html
 
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Old Aug 20, 2018 | 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Dynamick
That link has nothing to do with engine sumping. Transmission to primary fluid migration is an entirely different mechanical defect from M8 engine sumping.


 
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Old Aug 20, 2018 | 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by D W K
Harley thinks the oil might be migrating through the bearings and the new plate seals it off.
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No he knew about the transmission migration issue too. He was very specfic and said a new cam plate. He talked about the possibility of it being piston jets being loose and / or the oil scavenging. He even said, the sumping is coming from a variety of issues and there was no one fix all for them. He even acknowledged Harley is chasing their tails on them. He knew the revisions of the oil pumps etc... seemed to be way in tune with the issues. The only statement he made to me that i dint like is they have not replaced an entire engine on one yet, no matter how hot they got. That the have replaced the pump, plate and top end and sent them out with no issues. Maybe mine will be a first on the bottom end. Hard to say.. I'll know more once they get into it Wed. I can't imagine the bottom end not being hurt. The burnt oil smell was horrible and was even coming out of the exhaust when It cooled enough for me to crank it.
There are no bearings in the cam plate for oil to migrate through, to the best of my knowledge, I could see too much clearance between the plate and the cam letting more oil out than it should but I would think there would be a pressure issue. Aslo poor sealing between the cam plate and the case could cause problems but O rings are pretty forgiving, something would have to be way off, or an O ring damaged on assembly, which I think would have shown up before this but anything is possible. He is right when he says there are many issues, that's where thorough diagnosis is so important, not just check one cause and say "nope it's good".The service bulletin covers many different causes and there is a test in there to check the rod bearings to determine if the engine needs replaced. Sounds like your dealer is familiar with the issues and you're in pretty good hands. Please keep us up to date as this progresses.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2018 | 08:23 PM
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Unfortunate that some dealers are not as supportive as others...

My first repair was top-end. 2nd time was full motor. So far so good - about 600 miles into new motor.
 

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Old Aug 20, 2018 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Heatwave
Haven't heard about a prototype plate for the '17s and 18's but its certainly possible. No clue how oil could "migrate" from anywhere INTO the crankcase. That's a new one.
It's not a Cam plate but the plate that mounts to the rear of the oil pump. The newest prototype one now has a seal on it that appears to seal the right hand pinion bearing to the back of the oil pump. Not sure what it's going to do but it is a real part and I've seen it, the number on the part itself is 62400222 and it was a billet part not a machined cast part so maybe they are just testing this out to see if it help prior to spending the money on another new casting.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2018 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Cole
It's not a Cam plate but the plate that mounts to the rear of the oil pump. The newest prototype one now has a seal on it that appears to seal the right hand pinion bearing to the back of the oil pump. Not sure what it's going to do but it is a real part and I've seen it, the number on the part itself is 62400222 and it was a billet part not a machined cast part so maybe they are just testing this out to see if it help prior to spending the money on another new casting.
Interesting... what would the theory be on how it addresses sumping?
 
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Originally Posted by Steve Cole
It's not a Cam plate but the plate that mounts to the rear of the oil pump. The newest prototype one now has a seal on it that appears to seal the right hand pinion bearing to the back of the oil pump. Not sure what it's going to do but it is a real part and I've seen it, the number on the part itself is 62400222 and it was a billet part not a machined cast part so maybe they are just testing this out to see if it help prior to spending the money on another new casting.
Thx, I knew I wasn't crazy. This guy seems to have a real grasp on these motors and with Harley sending him prototype parts gives me some comfort. I honestly hope the motor is a full replacement. I could never have faith in this motor after seeing how hot it was.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2018 | 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by D W K
Thx, I knew I wasn't crazy. This guy seems to have a real grasp on these motors and with Harley sending him prototype parts gives me some comfort. I honestly hope the motor is a full replacement. I could never have faith in this motor after seeing how hot it was.
Hope the plate helps you guys for sure but what about all the 2019's that they are going to be pushing, do they have the plate ? Kinda doubt it but I sure wish they would fix my friends trike with one and it's just a 107 and he has both of the problems.
 
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