The run-around...
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From: Mandurah, West Oz
At any rate - I've spent some 46 years in Oz and only about 4 in the UK... that makes my Oz experiences valid, numb brain.
Grew up in my early 7 years touring with family in a land rover pulled 36 foot caravan, all over Australia - are you one of those Aussies who never leaves his home town?
Spent later youth in Esperance, moved to Perth to go to Uni... and so on.
What have you done with your life that qualifies to to be a shitbag troll right out of the gate?
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WEll, I'll stick up JP. He's right about Harley. But there are reasons they get away with it. For one, it's their vast network of dealers, and these dealers have been taught marketing skills from Harley Corporate. Along with that, is the fact that there isn't another Manufacturer in America that has a dealership that is as vast, that sells ONLY motorcycles. So really, there isn't much competition. The only one that comes anywhere close is Honda. Polaris would be the next closest, I would think, because of the deep pockets they have. But some of these dealerships remind me of the1980's and earlier....buildings with old and repair-needing facades. And a mechanic with aptitudes that were only in vogue when the Shovelhead was popular.
I have learned that before you even start to talk price, go into the shop area and look at it. How many bays are there? How many techs do you see? What kind of Parts inventory do they have , and where is it? If those numbers are minimal, the what kind of turnaround time do you think you are going to receive on warranty and service maintenance work?
I have learned that before you even start to talk price, go into the shop area and look at it. How many bays are there? How many techs do you see? What kind of Parts inventory do they have , and where is it? If those numbers are minimal, the what kind of turnaround time do you think you are going to receive on warranty and service maintenance work?
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WEll, I'll stick up JP. He's right about Harley. But there are reasons they get away with it. For one, it's their vast network of dealers, and these dealers have been taught marketing skills from Harley Corporate. Along with that, is the fact that there isn't another Manufacturer in America that has a dealership that is as vast, that sells ONLY motorcycles. So really, there isn't much competition. The only one that comes anywhere close is Honda. Polaris would be the next closest, I would think, because of the deep pockets they have. But some of these dealerships remind me of the1980's and earlier....buildings with old and repair-needing facades. And a mechanic with aptitudes that were only in vogue when the Shovelhead was popular.
I have learned that before you even start to talk price, go into the shop area and look at it. How many bays are there? How many techs do you see? What kind of Parts inventory do they have , and where is it? If those numbers are minimal, the what kind of turnaround time do you think you are going to receive on warranty and service maintenance work?
I have learned that before you even start to talk price, go into the shop area and look at it. How many bays are there? How many techs do you see? What kind of Parts inventory do they have , and where is it? If those numbers are minimal, the what kind of turnaround time do you think you are going to receive on warranty and service maintenance work?
Yeah, some of the the fanboyz on this site are pretty easily fooled and taken advantage of. They seem to go with the old "ignorance is bliss" approach. The MoCo just LOVES those guys.
The fact that the MoCo's been screwing its customers for over 115 years and counting, and that they continue to get away with it, pretty much proves the total lack of pre-purchase research done by many of their customers. That's the only reason they've lasted this long, or at least one of the main reasons.
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Thanks, Bro.
Yeah, some of the the fanboyz on this site are pretty easily fooled and taken advantage of. They seem to go with the old "ignorance is bliss" approach. The MoCo just LOVES those guys.
The fact that the MoCo's been screwing its customers for over 115 years and counting, and that they continue to get away with it, pretty much proves the total lack of pre-purchase research done by many of their customers. That's the only reason they've lasted this long, or at least one of the main reasons.
Yeah, some of the the fanboyz on this site are pretty easily fooled and taken advantage of. They seem to go with the old "ignorance is bliss" approach. The MoCo just LOVES those guys.
The fact that the MoCo's been screwing its customers for over 115 years and counting, and that they continue to get away with it, pretty much proves the total lack of pre-purchase research done by many of their customers. That's the only reason they've lasted this long, or at least one of the main reasons.
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From: Manitoba
It's kinda laughable the way a few hate the MOCO so much but are still on the Harley Forum. It's also pretty obvious the ones whose biggest purchase in life is there car or there bike if they were buying John Deere , Cat , Volvo , CaseIh , Freightliner , Mack, Peterbuilt and the list goes on they'd soon realize that no company's perfect and they'd just get on there beautiful Harley and ride then worry about the odd problem as it happens.
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From: ON Canada
Thanks, Dutchy
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if you read every post of his going back however far you want you'll see he's pegged at the opposite end of the pendulum as a 100% HD fanboy would be...he's so full of hatred and spews his 'un-objective' contempt constantly regardless of the post or thread..seriously, I don't ever recall him ever saying one single good thing about the MOCO...there's always at least one in the bunch and him and Oleboy give us two M8 Forum designated haters....so if you want to be in that camp supporting his position go for it
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simply not true..I have reported each and every problem we've had and voiced my displeasure in the MOCO over my warped rotors, both our wheel bearing failures, both our faulty clutch switches, minor trans fluid issue, etc, etc. .but I loooong ago, way before the M8, recognized, acknowledged and accepted that Harley Davidson never has been and never will be Toyota...I just try to be objective and instead of obsessing over the negatives I try to focus on the positives..which is that despite the issues, they are still the most enjoyable Harleys to ride we have owned...and refrain from making silly comments over and over like..."The fact that the MoCo's been screwing its customers for over 115 years and counting"....ridiculous statements like that just make me want to respond.
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simply not true..I have reported each and every problem we've had and voiced my displeasure in the MOCO over my warped rotors, both our wheel bearing failures, both our faulty clutch switches, minor trans fluid issue, etc, etc. .but I loooong ago, way before the M8, recognized, acknowledged and accepted that Harley Davidson never has been and never will be Toyota...I just try to be objective and instead of obsessing over the negatives I try to focus on the positives..which is that despite the issues, they are still the most enjoyable Harleys to ride we have owned...and refrain from making silly comments over and over like..."The fact that the MoCo's been screwing its customers for over 115 years and counting"....ridiculous statements like that just make me want to respond.
Your'e not objective. You pop in every M8 problem thread dismissing the problem as a minority issue because you and your friends have 30k trouble free miles. Like I have said before, the MC hasn't revised those pumps 8,9,10 times or whatever it has been to try and correct a problem that only affects a minority of purchasers. Ray Charles could see that Mr. Objective.
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I didn't write that the MC has been screwing its customers for 115 years. Someone else did.
Your'e not objective. You pop in every M8 problem thread dismissing the problem as a minority issue because you and your friends have 30k trouble free miles. Like I have said before, the MC hasn't revised those pumps 8,9,10 times or whatever it has been to try and correct a problem that only affects a minority of purchasers. Ray Charles could see that Mr. Objective.
Your'e not objective. You pop in every M8 problem thread dismissing the problem as a minority issue because you and your friends have 30k trouble free miles. Like I have said before, the MC hasn't revised those pumps 8,9,10 times or whatever it has been to try and correct a problem that only affects a minority of purchasers. Ray Charles could see that Mr. Objective.
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