FP3 or PV performace/improvement value?
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FP3 or PV performace/improvement value?
I know this topic has been brought up may times.
My specific question to anyone who has reasonably equivalent specs as my bike.
Did the FP3 or PV tuner really make a difference to you? How noticeable?
My 2014 Breakout FXSB(typical build)
103"
254E cams
V&H 2 into 2
SE Heavy Breather
BCT Monster Baffles
I ask because when I first got my cams put in, Harley just reflashed my computer, originally I found this bike could nearly take off out from under me, now the power seems to have changed significantly to somewhat Ho Hum, so considering the FP3.
Appreciate any input.
Thanks in advance
My specific question to anyone who has reasonably equivalent specs as my bike.
Did the FP3 or PV tuner really make a difference to you? How noticeable?
My 2014 Breakout FXSB(typical build)
103"
254E cams
V&H 2 into 2
SE Heavy Breather
BCT Monster Baffles
I ask because when I first got my cams put in, Harley just reflashed my computer, originally I found this bike could nearly take off out from under me, now the power seems to have changed significantly to somewhat Ho Hum, so considering the FP3.
Appreciate any input.
Thanks in advance
Road Master
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From: fort walton beach
There is conflicting info on the fp3 sources say it is not intended for engine mods like cams and such. Many people say if you contact v&h they will hook you up with start up maps and you can auto tune to fine tune it. I am not trying to advertise anything for anyone but fuel Moto has the pv on sale for 450 which makes it 50 more than the fp3. Which will come with a start up tune from fuel Moto which you can fine tune in auto tune as well
Road Warrior
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I know this topic has been brought up may times.
My specific question to anyone who has reasonably equivalent specs as my bike.
Did the FP3 or PV tuner really make a difference to you? How noticeable?
My 2014 Breakout FXSB(typical build)
103"
254E cams
V&H 2 into 2
SE Heavy Breather
BCT Monster Baffles
I ask because when I first got my cams put in, Harley just reflashed my computer, originally I found this bike could nearly take off out from under me, now the power seems to have changed significantly to somewhat Ho Hum, so considering the FP3.
Appreciate any input.
Thanks in advance
My specific question to anyone who has reasonably equivalent specs as my bike.
Did the FP3 or PV tuner really make a difference to you? How noticeable?
My 2014 Breakout FXSB(typical build)
103"
254E cams
V&H 2 into 2
SE Heavy Breather
BCT Monster Baffles
I ask because when I first got my cams put in, Harley just reflashed my computer, originally I found this bike could nearly take off out from under me, now the power seems to have changed significantly to somewhat Ho Hum, so considering the FP3.
Appreciate any input.
Thanks in advance
Last edited by Rocker B; Mar 3, 2016 at 05:17 PM.
Road Master
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From: fort walton beach
I am glad rocker b came in with that info on the fp3. If the decision is strictly on price the fp3 will save money. My research has come up with the pv being more widely used tuner by the pros. You can get your bike tuned just about anywhere with the pv and it offers the same auto tune option with the additional option of purchasing wide band sensors to improve the tuning even more. Narrow band sensors are exactly that there scope is so small they only register idle and part throttle.
Road Captain
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From: San Diego
I am glad rocker b came in with that info on the fp3. If the decision is strictly on price the fp3 will save money. My research has come up with the pv being more widely used tuner by the pros. You can get your bike tuned just about anywhere with the pv and it offers the same auto tune option with the additional option of purchasing wide band sensors to improve the tuning even more. Narrow band sensors are exactly that there scope is so small they only register idle and part throttle.
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the PV gives you a lot more options but has a slightly steeper learning curve- it assumes you have some genuine interest in learning basics of fuel tuning. the fp3 is more plug-n-play friendly at the trade-off of being limited in what you can do with it later on. although it is perfectly capable as a tuner and no slack in that regard.
I found the PV to be a good device although it left me feeling very lacking with the narrow band auto tuning- did nothing for my bike on the performance end. but it did let me learn about tuning and then gave me ability to make manual edits to anything I needed- and I eventually ended up with a very good tune.
now that I have the wide band add on, Target Tune for PV- holy hell it is bad ***. but some technical knowledge is still required. one thing these tuners cannot do is tune your spark timing tables, and once you go cams / motor work, that is something you either need to go to a dyno shop for or learn about spark timing / logging your ride data, and tune it yourself.
all that said you can't go wrong with either one, or even the MasterTune TTS, or Daytona Twin Tec system- it all depends on what feels more complete and user friendly to you and what will serve both your immediate and long term needs. I'm a tech guy so I want to be able to see and tweak every hidden thing possible- hence the choice on the PV.
as far as forum support and knowledge, lots more info surrounding the PV than the FP3 (AFAIK), plus Fuel Moto that provides decent custom tune maps and support if you purchase the PV from them.
Rocker B is our resident expert on the FP3 so if you get that I'm sure he can offer some advice. He's shown that it does work well even for cams.
I found the PV to be a good device although it left me feeling very lacking with the narrow band auto tuning- did nothing for my bike on the performance end. but it did let me learn about tuning and then gave me ability to make manual edits to anything I needed- and I eventually ended up with a very good tune.
now that I have the wide band add on, Target Tune for PV- holy hell it is bad ***. but some technical knowledge is still required. one thing these tuners cannot do is tune your spark timing tables, and once you go cams / motor work, that is something you either need to go to a dyno shop for or learn about spark timing / logging your ride data, and tune it yourself.
all that said you can't go wrong with either one, or even the MasterTune TTS, or Daytona Twin Tec system- it all depends on what feels more complete and user friendly to you and what will serve both your immediate and long term needs. I'm a tech guy so I want to be able to see and tweak every hidden thing possible- hence the choice on the PV.
as far as forum support and knowledge, lots more info surrounding the PV than the FP3 (AFAIK), plus Fuel Moto that provides decent custom tune maps and support if you purchase the PV from them.
Rocker B is our resident expert on the FP3 so if you get that I'm sure he can offer some advice. He's shown that it does work well even for cams.
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I know this topic has been brought up may times.
My specific question to anyone who has reasonably equivalent specs as my bike.
Did the FP3 or PV tuner really make a difference to you? How noticeable?
My 2014 Breakout FXSB(typical build)
103"
254E cams
V&H 2 into 2
SE Heavy Breather
BCT Monster Baffles
I ask because when I first got my cams put in, Harley just reflashed my computer, originally I found this bike could nearly take off out from under me, now the power seems to have changed significantly to somewhat Ho Hum, so considering the FP3.
Appreciate any input.
Thanks in advance
My specific question to anyone who has reasonably equivalent specs as my bike.
Did the FP3 or PV tuner really make a difference to you? How noticeable?
My 2014 Breakout FXSB(typical build)
103"
254E cams
V&H 2 into 2
SE Heavy Breather
BCT Monster Baffles
I ask because when I first got my cams put in, Harley just reflashed my computer, originally I found this bike could nearly take off out from under me, now the power seems to have changed significantly to somewhat Ho Hum, so considering the FP3.
Appreciate any input.
Thanks in advance
I didn't realize they had just straight downloads for more than Stage one mods.
Most of the dealers around here push the Screaming Eagle Pro Super Tuner which is capable of doing what you need to do. It's more cumbersome than the Power Vision or the FP3 because it requires a lap top to work with your tune, but if you have already shelled out the $500 for a tuner there is no need to do it again. All you need is the cables and the software is free to download if you have the serial number of you VCI, the little orange box.
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Dealer downloads are not the best. Canned tunes. There are so many tuners on the market and just about as many opinions.
My experience is with FP3 and PV. Both are good for the right application and not difficult to install and setup.
La Dog is a good resource on the PV. His opinions are not bias and very knowledgeable.
If I can stress one thing, purchase it from Fuel Moto.
My experience is with FP3 and PV. Both are good for the right application and not difficult to install and setup.
La Dog is a good resource on the PV. His opinions are not bias and very knowledgeable.
If I can stress one thing, purchase it from Fuel Moto.
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