Daymaker/LED headlight for a slim
Road Master
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From: Rome, NY
8790 (7") is available in both Adaptive and non-Adaptive (same part number)
8690 (5") is available in both Adaptive and non-Adaptive (same part number)
8791 (7") and 8691 (5") pedestal mount lights are both available in Adaptive and non-Adaptive versions that use the same part number.
...So my advice is to triple check what one you're ordering before you pull the trigger, because right now it's a mess. Why Speaker did this is anyone's guess.
My extra advice is if you're night riding in twisties, get the Adaptive version, but I'd go for the EVO2 if I wasn't buying the Adaptive.
Pic: 7" Adaptive & 7" EVO2
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From: Edinburgh UK
Leave it to Speaker to confuse the issue...
8790 (7") is available in both Adaptive and non-Adaptive (same part number)
8690 (5") is available in both Adaptive and non-Adaptive (same part number)
8791 (7") and 8691 (5") pedestal mount lights are both available in Adaptive and non-Adaptive versions that use the same part number.
8790 (7") is available in both Adaptive and non-Adaptive (same part number)
8690 (5") is available in both Adaptive and non-Adaptive (same part number)
8791 (7") and 8691 (5") pedestal mount lights are both available in Adaptive and non-Adaptive versions that use the same part number.
Q: My adaptive motorcycle light does not function properly.
A: Our Adaptive Series headlights (Models 8790 Adaptive, 8690 Adaptive and 8691 Adaptive) require forward motion to remain ON and operate properly. A “lean test” in the garage is not a sufficient test. Optics may not respond to the static lean and require forward motion to test correctly.
If the light does not operate properly when driving, double check that it is indeed an Adaptive Version. We manufacture both adaptive versions and non-adaptive versions, so you may have purchased a non-adaptive version.
A: Our Adaptive Series headlights (Models 8790 Adaptive, 8690 Adaptive and 8691 Adaptive) require forward motion to remain ON and operate properly. A “lean test” in the garage is not a sufficient test. Optics may not respond to the static lean and require forward motion to test correctly.
If the light does not operate properly when driving, double check that it is indeed an Adaptive Version. We manufacture both adaptive versions and non-adaptive versions, so you may have purchased a non-adaptive version.
And they don't exactly explain what this "Comfort lighting is" in comparison to the actual adaptive bit. other than lighting the sides ...and probably in the face of oncoming traffic...??
Given some of the chinese lights are putting out more light than JW I wonder if they have lost their bleeding edge.
Anyone wonder if maybe adaptive was not all it was cracked up to be ...I mean I'd rather see the corner before I get to it, than have to lean over to find the blooming thing ...just my 2c, and certainly not at those prices.
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Headwinds LED bulb. Direct from Headwinds Ebay site.
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Road Master
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From: Rome, NY
Given some of the chinese lights are putting out more light than JW I wonder if they have lost their bleeding edge.
Anyone wonder if maybe adaptive was not all it was cracked up to be ...I mean I'd rather see the corner before I get to it, than have to lean over to find the blooming thing ...just my 2c, and certainly not at those prices.
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Road Warrior
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From: Edinburgh UK
There's lots of misconceptions out there as to what makes a great light. I've seen Chinese bulbs quoting ridiculous output levels. Speaker has done the research to put light only where it's needed. The output of a light can be given in "raw" lumens or "effective" lumens. Most likely the cheap lights are listing their "raw" lumen outputs. Speaker's 8790 "raw" numbers are 2,250/2,025 (hi/lo). Their previous ads only listed their "effective" lumens, which were 1,150/850, so other lights spec'd out higher, but really weren't.
I must admit I quite fancied a JW "because that was what HD were using" but the demos I've seen are not really all that impressive ...hence the new Comfort lights ...with extra illumination to light up the sides ...just as their customers asked for ...was what the website said I think.
You seem to misunderstand how the light works. You see a corner the same as any regular light until you start to enter it. As you enter the corner and the bike leans, the normal DOT cutoff zone causes a blind spot because the side illumination is now pointing down on the inside of the curve. The adaptive electronics senses the lean angle and adds elements to fill-in that blind spot. Does it work?... "F'ing A" it works! Is it 100% fill-in?... no, but it's the best thing out there right now.
This Chinese jobbie I have though does really well, exactly as the Wrangler guys said. Problem with Chinese though is they copy their own stuff, but if you find the real manufacturers that make stuff for the auto trade, you do get some really good stuff.
As for seeing into the corner once you are leant over, great stuff and I'm not denying it isn't a step forward ...but how many years have we been riding bikes? Do you really want more light so that you can go tanking into corners ...in the dark ...with poor peripheral vision?? Me? I hardly ride the bike at night, nowhere near as much fun as day time, but if I do ...I ride to the conditions. You do know there are more animals at night btw, yea?
Anyways, great stuff, I'm sure they will sell a gazillion. They are a bit fugly tho (just my thought obviously)
Last edited by Gordon61; Apr 4, 2017 at 04:32 PM. Reason: rubbish spelling and quote in the wrong place, sorry
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You seem to misunderstand how the light works. You see a corner the same as any regular light until you start to enter it. As you enter the corner and the bike leans, the normal DOT cutoff zone causes a blind spot because the side illumination is now pointing down on the inside of the curve. The adaptive electronics senses the lean angle and adds elements to fill-in that blind spot. Does it work?... "F'ing A" it works! Is it 100% fill-in?... no, but it's the best thing out there right now.
Lots of aftermarket LED lights have ZERO blind spots in corners, and make stupid bright light. Since it's the complete LED units that have the blind spots, and NOT the standard Halogen light, people like me who stick with the stock housing and use a drop in bulb like the OPT7 have NEVER encountered the blind or dark zone in corners, and we throw tremendous amounts of light. Certainly MORE than the Daymakers..... as seen in this side by side comparison of my OPT7 vs. the Daymaker. No sir, not EVERY LED has the issue you describe. Not by a long shot. Just ask anyone using the Fuel Moto H9/H11 dual drop in bulb headlight assembly if THEY have a blind spot in a corner. Cause they do not. And I can attest to that setup being crazy bright.
Oh, And the drop in HID's that use the stock housing also don't have this issue...... Just sayin'.
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From: Cincinnati Ohio
Ive heard really good things about the Sunpie LEDs on Amazon. bout 130 bucks for headlight and spots..... guy I know is running them on his RK and loves them.. lots and lots of great reviews on Amazon. makes me wonder if theyre probable made in the same factory as the HD ones
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Road Master
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From: Rome, NY
Ive heard really good things about the Sunpie LEDs on Amazon. bout 130 bucks for headlight and spots..... guy I know is running them on his RK and loves them.. lots and lots of great reviews on Amazon. makes me wonder if theyre probable made in the same factory as the HD ones
Road Master
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What...... Um, No.
Lots of aftermarket LED lights have ZERO blind spots in corners, and make stupid bright light. Since it's the complete LED units that have the blind spots, and NOT the standard Halogen light, people like me who stick with the stock housing and use a drop in bulb like the OPT7 have NEVER encountered the blind or dark zone in corners, and we throw tremendous amounts of light. Certainly MORE than the Daymakers..... as seen in this side by side comparison of my OPT7 vs. the Daymaker. No sir, not EVERY LED has the issue you describe. Not by a long shot. Just ask anyone using the Fuel Moto H9/H11 dual drop in bulb headlight assembly if THEY have a blind spot in a corner. Cause they do not. And I can attest to that setup being crazy bright.
Oh, And the drop in HID's that use the stock housing also don't have this issue...... Just sayin'.
Lots of aftermarket LED lights have ZERO blind spots in corners, and make stupid bright light. Since it's the complete LED units that have the blind spots, and NOT the standard Halogen light, people like me who stick with the stock housing and use a drop in bulb like the OPT7 have NEVER encountered the blind or dark zone in corners, and we throw tremendous amounts of light. Certainly MORE than the Daymakers..... as seen in this side by side comparison of my OPT7 vs. the Daymaker. No sir, not EVERY LED has the issue you describe. Not by a long shot. Just ask anyone using the Fuel Moto H9/H11 dual drop in bulb headlight assembly if THEY have a blind spot in a corner. Cause they do not. And I can attest to that setup being crazy bright.
Oh, And the drop in HID's that use the stock housing also don't have this issue...... Just sayin'.