Stage 1 and Fuel management question
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Keep it comming guys as this is all really helpful.
So I am reading about SE module and it say: "
So I am reading about SE module and it say: "
- Permits tunability to optimize performance and drivability without compromising fuel efficiency, emission levels, engine durability, or 50-State U.S. EPA compliance
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I am definitely not willing to spend 1000$ for this gizmo. What a pain. I thought I could get away with 300-400$ but now lookl like I am looking at 4 digit solutions. Geez
So between PCV and powerVision which one is better and do not marry to the bike?
So between PCV and powerVision which one is better and do not marry to the bike?
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General comment...
These tuners are a tool. Knowing what the tool does and doesn't do is important. So is knowing how to use it properly.
If you are weak in the above statement and are considering some DIY tuning activities, then I suggest you add in some DIY homework time into your schedule. Otherwise, if you're not interested in putting in the time and effort, save yourself some grief/likely less than optimum results and seek out a competent professional. As an example... These devices will have something called "Auto Tune". If you think that option is actually "tuning" your bike, then you need to think again (do some homework and figure out what it really means). The list goes on.
In terms of selling a tuner... PV's for example marry themselves to your ECM. To use them on another bike you have to by another license. The license isn't cheap. When you go to sell a PV, you'll be selling it for a much reduced price because the buyer will have to buy a license to use it on their bike. Think of your initial purchase as purchasing both the hardware and the license. When you sell it you are only selling the hardware.
These tuners are a tool. Knowing what the tool does and doesn't do is important. So is knowing how to use it properly.
If you are weak in the above statement and are considering some DIY tuning activities, then I suggest you add in some DIY homework time into your schedule. Otherwise, if you're not interested in putting in the time and effort, save yourself some grief/likely less than optimum results and seek out a competent professional. As an example... These devices will have something called "Auto Tune". If you think that option is actually "tuning" your bike, then you need to think again (do some homework and figure out what it really means). The list goes on.
In terms of selling a tuner... PV's for example marry themselves to your ECM. To use them on another bike you have to by another license. The license isn't cheap. When you go to sell a PV, you'll be selling it for a much reduced price because the buyer will have to buy a license to use it on their bike. Think of your initial purchase as purchasing both the hardware and the license. When you sell it you are only selling the hardware.
Last edited by T^2; Oct 20, 2017 at 10:37 AM.
Hey Everybody
I got quick question. I am about to put SE Air cleaner while I already have SE pipes on my 2014 Slim.
it is my understanding that I will need ECM recalibration. Is this really needed? I will say yes but want to check anyway.
If yes I like Fuel Pack 3 idea but after reading further I read it is only good for Stage 1 upgrade. Is this for real? Funny enough I have seen option on demo that consider cams upgrade but website say "This product is best suited to Stage 1 modifications such as air cleaner & exhaust. FuelPak FP3 does not support modifications such as aftermarket cams or big bore kits."
Knowing myself I will probably try take things a bit further after stage 1 so I am affraid I will waste 400$ for unit that only is supporting stage 1. I can see cams in next year or two and possibly 110" upgrade in the future and considering that I cannot resell FP3 I am not sure this is my best option here.
Being cheap badtard I would like to spend 300-400$ and have unit that do not marry to the bike so I can sell it if I want to while still providing support for many stages of upgrades beyond stage 1.
Any suggestions?
I have seen Dynojet Power Commander V and was wondering if that might be better option?
Worst case I can send my ECM to Fuel moto for programming at 250$ as they have unlimited flushes in this price and play with remappings as I go for no charge.
so far this feels like cheapest most flexible option.
Let me know what you think?
I really miss my carburetor and rejetting for 3$ but I guess technology cough up with me after having 1994 Sportster for last 15 years. Switching to Slim is serious downgrade comparing to my old Sporty with Stage 3.5 but I did buy this Slim for more comfort not for speed and I am sure I can squeez some juice from 103"
PS. What is safe rpms limit on this Softail that is allowed by SE module? I will definately set this up close to this range.
I got quick question. I am about to put SE Air cleaner while I already have SE pipes on my 2014 Slim.
it is my understanding that I will need ECM recalibration. Is this really needed? I will say yes but want to check anyway.
If yes I like Fuel Pack 3 idea but after reading further I read it is only good for Stage 1 upgrade. Is this for real? Funny enough I have seen option on demo that consider cams upgrade but website say "This product is best suited to Stage 1 modifications such as air cleaner & exhaust. FuelPak FP3 does not support modifications such as aftermarket cams or big bore kits."
Knowing myself I will probably try take things a bit further after stage 1 so I am affraid I will waste 400$ for unit that only is supporting stage 1. I can see cams in next year or two and possibly 110" upgrade in the future and considering that I cannot resell FP3 I am not sure this is my best option here.
Being cheap badtard I would like to spend 300-400$ and have unit that do not marry to the bike so I can sell it if I want to while still providing support for many stages of upgrades beyond stage 1.
Any suggestions?
I have seen Dynojet Power Commander V and was wondering if that might be better option?
Worst case I can send my ECM to Fuel moto for programming at 250$ as they have unlimited flushes in this price and play with remappings as I go for no charge.
so far this feels like cheapest most flexible option.
Let me know what you think?
I really miss my carburetor and rejetting for 3$ but I guess technology cough up with me after having 1994 Sportster for last 15 years. Switching to Slim is serious downgrade comparing to my old Sporty with Stage 3.5 but I did buy this Slim for more comfort not for speed and I am sure I can squeez some juice from 103"
PS. What is safe rpms limit on this Softail that is allowed by SE module? I will definately set this up close to this range.
-Can make quick adjustments to your Tune via the Touchscreen. No computer needed.
-Can Log Data while you Ride, Generate an Improved Tune, & Flash the ECM. No computer needed.
-Stores up to 8 Different Tunes, PLUS original
-Comes with a Tune Made Specific to Your Bikes Modifications
-Double the Dynojet Warranty
Here's a LINK with a lot more information about the Power Vision.
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Ok 500$ is probably doable option. I dont like anything sitting on my handlebars so this box will have to go under the seat? I just want to set this up and forget it about this insane price. Does PV marry to the bike or not really? If not I might consider used one as this will be ideal
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I installed new cams on my Fatboy, and V&H sent me a new map for my old original FuelPak; bike runs great. Could I get a couple more horses out of something else with a dyno tune? Probably, but I'm very happy with what I have for the dollars spent.
Are there more versatile and betters tuners then the FP3 - yes there are. Better, a bit more complex to use, more $$$'s.
I think the FuelPak is a great value for what it is; and V&H support has always been good IMO. My FP is 10 years old, and they still support and service it.
My 2 cents.
Are there more versatile and betters tuners then the FP3 - yes there are. Better, a bit more complex to use, more $$$'s.
I think the FuelPak is a great value for what it is; and V&H support has always been good IMO. My FP is 10 years old, and they still support and service it.
My 2 cents.
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Great comment on above. The only thing is I am considering FP3 at 399$ vs Power Vision for extra 100$ I might go with extra bill to have more options in the future. Torn still what to do...
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Ok 500$ is probably doable option. I dont like anything sitting on my handlebars so this box will have to go under the seat? I just want to set this up and forget it about this insane price. Does PV marry to the bike or not really? If not I might consider used one as this will be ideal
However, to be effective, you need it in sight if you plan on collecting data/"auto tuning". You'll need to be able the see that table during an auto tune session to see what cells you are effectively collecting data in and what cells you still need to reach. Also, even with good cable routing it's possible that you'll lose connection during a session because of EMI. You won't notice when that happens if you don't have the display in front of you.
Yes the PV marries to the bike's ECM. To use it (fully) on another bike you have to go to DynoJet's site and purchase another license. If you buy a used one, then you'll also have to purchase a license to use it on your bike.
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Another comment...
Since to OP is only dealing with SE slip-ons and air cleaner... Is a new tune necessary? Meh? The bike does have closed loop control and adaptive learning. Maybe some decel pop might become audible, maybe not.
Of course then there's the stock tune and all that comes with that (regardless if running stock pipes/AC or not).
Since to OP is only dealing with SE slip-ons and air cleaner... Is a new tune necessary? Meh? The bike does have closed loop control and adaptive learning. Maybe some decel pop might become audible, maybe not.
Of course then there's the stock tune and all that comes with that (regardless if running stock pipes/AC or not).
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This is exactly what I was wondering about from start. Yes it is only AC and SE slip on do I really need to spend 500$ for these gizmos? Not sure what is close loop but I heard that there is some kind of learning with stock module. It will make me really happy to keep my $ in my pocket and put it out for tuner when I go to next stage but I heard concerns about leaning lean already AF ratio which might result in overheating which is not good thing