07 engines and heat
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Tourer
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07 engines and heat
Hi to all,
I have some concerns with my 07 Nightrain (stock) and wondering if you could have some advices.
One day (outside temp 90°) I rode my NT for a 1hr ride, in the countryside, then a bit of town (10 minutes). I have put some gas and when i wanted to leave the engine stalled in first gear. Tried to fire her up but couldn't right away. So I have waited 5 minutes, then she started correctly. The only thing I felt wrong was that the engine was very hot. That same day, that same problem happened once again.
Being paranoiac now, I check my gauge oil temperature now and then, and it rises up to 250° after a 20-30 minute ride.
I went to the dealer, explained to him the failure I had and asked him about the "heat". Checked quickly and found nothing wrong. He explained to me some of the heat issues, that I have already been reading in this forum, about the new HD engines and the EPA regulations and why they produce so much heat. I asked him if changing mufflers, air cleaner things would go for the better, he answered yes but I won't be covered by the HD warranty.
Do you think my engine stalling is related to heat?
What should I do?
I am bit disappointed, after spending 20000$, that I have to be concerned about my engine if days are warm or my I'm driving in town!
Thanks in advance!
I have some concerns with my 07 Nightrain (stock) and wondering if you could have some advices.
One day (outside temp 90°) I rode my NT for a 1hr ride, in the countryside, then a bit of town (10 minutes). I have put some gas and when i wanted to leave the engine stalled in first gear. Tried to fire her up but couldn't right away. So I have waited 5 minutes, then she started correctly. The only thing I felt wrong was that the engine was very hot. That same day, that same problem happened once again.
Being paranoiac now, I check my gauge oil temperature now and then, and it rises up to 250° after a 20-30 minute ride.
I went to the dealer, explained to him the failure I had and asked him about the "heat". Checked quickly and found nothing wrong. He explained to me some of the heat issues, that I have already been reading in this forum, about the new HD engines and the EPA regulations and why they produce so much heat. I asked him if changing mufflers, air cleaner things would go for the better, he answered yes but I won't be covered by the HD warranty.
Do you think my engine stalling is related to heat?
What should I do?
I am bit disappointed, after spending 20000$, that I have to be concerned about my engine if days are warm or my I'm driving in town!
Thanks in advance!
Road Warrior
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RE: 07 engines and heat
Well, I have an '07 FXSTC and I am in Florida. I have had pipes, a/c and sert put in it with syn oil. My bike has not gotten over 205 in traffic in town. If you scoot went up to 250, I would change the oil asap. That is about the temp oil will break down.
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RE: 07 engines and heat
These bikes will idle on the forward cylindar when they get too hot. Have you had that happen yet?
My bike came from the dealer with 2" rush pipes and I have yet to see over 225. Check your oil, look at the color. Pending your milage, it still should be transparent to a point.
I will be changing to synthetic, most likely redline.... I think that will dial it down a bit.... but i like the fact that it gets over 210 because it will get any water out. It not driven daily.
My bike came from the dealer with 2" rush pipes and I have yet to see over 225. Check your oil, look at the color. Pending your milage, it still should be transparent to a point.
I will be changing to synthetic, most likely redline.... I think that will dial it down a bit.... but i like the fact that it gets over 210 because it will get any water out. It not driven daily.
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RE: 07 engines and heat
Go to this website, scroll down just a bit, and read the article: http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/hd2007HD_heat_00.htm
Their technical write-up will inform and advise. The bikes running hot now is normal, the engine gets MUCH hotter than the oil, (like 749 degrees F), and the oil will begin to breakdown above 300 degrees.
Switch all three holes to appropriate Amsoil and then get yourself pipes, a/c, and a fuel controller (FuelPak, SERT, PCiii, etc). The temps will come down, performance will improve, and you give up a little fuel mileage. Synthetic oils more the double the maximum operating temperature range of dino-juice.
Your symptoms were POSSIBLY the bike's built-in self-defense if one of the temp sensors kicked a high reading to the ECU.
I too live in Florida and have been riding everyday to work and back in record-breaking heat here in Central Florida. I haven't had any problems, and do notice running cooler now on synthetic lubes.
I am waiting on pipe info from V&H so I can do my exhaust/a-c/FuelPak changes. Harley won't warranty somebody else's stuff, and you may need to revert back to stock, but there have been many noteworthy cases where Harley will take care of the bike for folks who have stage 1 stuff done. (Its all about how you approach the dealer and what the problem actually turns out to be).
I wouldn't worry about your baby.
Cheers.
Their technical write-up will inform and advise. The bikes running hot now is normal, the engine gets MUCH hotter than the oil, (like 749 degrees F), and the oil will begin to breakdown above 300 degrees.
Switch all three holes to appropriate Amsoil and then get yourself pipes, a/c, and a fuel controller (FuelPak, SERT, PCiii, etc). The temps will come down, performance will improve, and you give up a little fuel mileage. Synthetic oils more the double the maximum operating temperature range of dino-juice.
Your symptoms were POSSIBLY the bike's built-in self-defense if one of the temp sensors kicked a high reading to the ECU.
I too live in Florida and have been riding everyday to work and back in record-breaking heat here in Central Florida. I haven't had any problems, and do notice running cooler now on synthetic lubes.
I am waiting on pipe info from V&H so I can do my exhaust/a-c/FuelPak changes. Harley won't warranty somebody else's stuff, and you may need to revert back to stock, but there have been many noteworthy cases where Harley will take care of the bike for folks who have stage 1 stuff done. (Its all about how you approach the dealer and what the problem actually turns out to be).
I wouldn't worry about your baby.
Cheers.
Road Warrior
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RE: 07 engines and heat
On longer rides, out here in California with days in the upper 90's and low 100's, my bike still gets around 240 (with V&H pipes, SEAC, PC III and Mobil1 synthetic in all three holes). It certainly is running cooler than it was before the mods, though. Not sure if this is normal or not, but I have a riding buddy with an '04 that seems to run about the same temps when we compare (apples to apples, so to speak).
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RE: 07 engines and heat
ORIGINAL: crock921
so it is normal to be running around 225?
so it is normal to be running around 225?
I run Redline. Some like Amsoil or Mobil 1.
One of the site sponsors will give you 10 percent off cases and another 10 percent with the code mos10
http://www.myoilshop.com/
But thats on redline stuff...
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RE: 07 engines and heat
my wife has an 07 FLSTC and it had the same problem. On hot days it would stall out and she would have to wait for it to cool down. When we asked the dealer about it he said to just push it to the side of the road and wait for it to cool down. Then she can ride a bit further and repeat the process. He also said that for an additional Thousand dollars they could fix it so she could ride it on hot days.
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RE: 07 engines and heat
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He also said that for an additional Thousand dollars they could fix it so she could ride it on hot days.
He also said that for an additional Thousand dollars they could fix it so she could ride it on hot days.
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RE: 07 engines and heat
Were you riding in traffic condition?
I would really be disappointed if a brand new out of the factory 07 just stalls because it's warm outside. Or it is just me? You're paying so much money for a motorcycle, and it's not enough! to got it run properly, you need to add extras?!
I don't think that's normal...
I would really be disappointed if a brand new out of the factory 07 just stalls because it's warm outside. Or it is just me? You're paying so much money for a motorcycle, and it's not enough! to got it run properly, you need to add extras?!
I don't think that's normal...