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Old Dec 19, 2023 | 03:32 PM
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Hopefully someone has done this to there 1998 Harley Softail Custom or in the pre-2000 era. I want to put on a 16x3.5 Ultima wheel (not spoke). I will have a Dunlop MU85-16(140/85-16, i think) American Elite tire on rim with matching pulley. My question is. What spacers will i need to align it & will the pulley belt hit the tire. If anyone has pictures of there setup, that would be nice. Thanks for any help.
 
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Hopefully someone has done this to there 1998 Harley Softail Custom or in the pre-2000 era. I want to put on a 16x3.5 Ultima wheel (not spoke). I will have a Dunlop MU85-16(140/85-16, i think) American Elite tire on rim with matching pulley. My question is. What spacers will i need to align it & will the pulley belt hit the tire. If anyone has pictures of there setup, that would be nice. Thanks for any help.
I just did my 93 but it won’t help because I went chain and it wouldn’t be the same.. however I’m responding just to say make sure you check wheel end play. I’ve bought two Ultima rims now and both shipped new with zero end play.
 
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I just did my 93 but it won’t help because I went chain and it wouldn’t be the same.. however I’m responding just to say make sure you check wheel end play. I’ve bought two Ultima rims now and both shipped new with zero end play.
Hi, thanks for the reply. The original rear wheel that’s on the bike now doesn’t have any end play. I’m guessing you mean u can move the wheel either left or right a little. Why do I need it on this one.
 
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No. I’m talking about your wheel Barring's. The distance between your torqued barrings.

There is a spacer and usually some shims that space it according to the manufacturers specs. Likely like 1.5-3 thousandths.
 
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Hi, thanks for the reply. The original rear wheel that’s on the bike now doesn’t have any end play. I’m guessing you mean u can move the wheel either left or right a little. Why do I need it on this one.

With the tapered roller bearings, you should have end play for better (longer) bearing life. There is an end play spec in your service manual...

 

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I just did my 93 but it won’t help because I went chain and it wouldn’t be the same.. however I’m responding just to say make sure you check wheel end play. I’ve bought two Ultima rims now and both shipped new with zero end play.
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No. I’m talking about your wheel Barring's. The distance between your torqued barrings.

There is a spacer and usually some shims that space it according to the manufacturers specs. Likely like 1.5-3 thousandths.
Sorry, but I'm not sure I understand what you mean about the Ultima rims "having zero end play"...

Are you saying that there is a problem with the hubs on those wheels, or the OEM spacers will need modification with the Ultima hubs to get proper end play...?
 
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Sorry, but I'm not sure I understand what you mean about the Ultima rims "having zero end play"...

Are you saying that there is a problem with the hubs on those wheels, or the OEM spacers will need modification with the Ultima hubs to get proper end play...?
Sorry, I still don’t understand end play. As of now the current rear wheel has a spacer on either side. No shims.
 
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Sorry, I still don’t understand end play. As of now the current rear wheel has a spacer on either side. No shims.
The comment of mine you quoted, was for Rains2much. I wanted some clarification on why he felt the wheels were responsible for the lack of end play....

Sounds like you are talking about the spacers visible outside the bearings, when the wheel is mounted.... correct?

End play has nothing to do with the spacers outside the bearings that are visible when the wheel is mounted on the bike.

End play is based on the tube-like spacer (and any shims) that is not visible when the wheel is mounted on the bike, because it/they are inside, in between the bearings.

I'm sorry, but did you watch the video...?

Have you taken off your old wheel yet and seen the tube spacer in between the bearings..? Does it have any shims..?

I'm at a loss... If you didn't understand the video, I know of no way to type a better explanation....
 

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The comment of mine you quoted, was for Rains2much. I wanted some clarification on why he felt the wheels were responsible for the lack of end play....

Sounds like you are talking about the spacers visible outside the bearings, when the wheel is mounted.... correct?

End play has nothing to do with the spacers outside the bearings that are visible when the wheel is mounted on the bike.

End play is based on the tube-like spacer (and any shims) that is not visible when the wheel is mounted on the bike, because it/they are inside, in between the bearings.

I'm sorry, but did you watch the video...?

Have you taken off your old wheel yet and seen the tube spacer in between the bearings..? Does it have any shims..?

I'm at a loss... If you didn't understand the video, I know of no way to type a better explanation....
No… I’m saying inside the hub there should be 1.5 thou of clearance when the axle is torqued in place. That clearance is inside the hub. Ultima told me on the phone as a manufacturer their hub should have between 1 thou and three thou. For mine I had to cut the inner spacer, then add in a shim to get it exactly at 1.5 thou.

take your axle and put the head in a vise so the axle is sticking straight up..
put a few spare spacers on the axle
slide the wheel onto the axle so it spins horizontal.
put spacers on top so you only see thread on the axle sticking up but more that 3/4 of your threads are showing
put the large washer and nut on it.

You know what, instead of my typing all this just look in YouTube or your service manual look up tapered bearing end play.

BINGO, just noticed someone posted a video above
 

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