Novelty Helmets
Grand HDF Member
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 4,624
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From: Newcastle, Ca.
Just checked, my Outlaw ultra low profile carbon profile DOT has the "DOT FMVSS No. 218 Certified" on the inside label. I love that helmet even more now! lol
http://www.leatherup.com/p/Outlaw-AX...et/381941.html
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http://www.leatherup.com/p/Outlaw-AX...et/381941.html
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Last edited by KumaRide; Dec 3, 2012 at 12:27 PM.
Tourer
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 323
Likes: 18
From: Maryland
With a non DOT helmet you don't get to enjoy the wind in your hair but don't get the head protection of a DOT, SNELL OR ECE lid either. You get the disadvantages of wearing a helmet and the disadvantages of not wearing one but none of the benefits of either.
Seriously, I don't understand, why would someone want to buy a helmet knowing it does not meet the very minimal DOT standards for head protection? Seriously I am hoping someone can provide a truthful answer to this question.
Seriously, I don't understand, why would someone want to buy a helmet knowing it does not meet the very minimal DOT standards for head protection? Seriously I am hoping someone can provide a truthful answer to this question.
For what it's worth as far as my opinion on DOT v non DOT. I ride in a "made in the USA" Skull Crush helmet made of KEVLAR/CARBON FIBER (instead of the plastic/fiberglass/polycarbonite that DOT helmets are made of) with a moisture resistant memory foam interior, good at dissipating energy instead of transferring it (instead of the styrofoam / terrycloth interior of most DOT helmets).
Now why is it not DOT? simply because of a standardized thickness requirement (needed by the cheap styrofoam interiors used by most) regardless of construction. The size, specs, and materials are completely different.
For a strap connection, you can choose a Military Spec Quick Disconnect. As with every component of this helmet even the connectors are made of high strength and durability.
I choose to spend my money on a product that is individualy made in the USA to exacting spec with QUALITY materials. Can you say the same about your plastic, assembly line, foreign made DOT? Just something to consider before questioning anothers decision on what they want to wear.
Last edited by GinsengSullivan; Dec 3, 2012 at 06:55 PM.
Cruiser
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 242
Likes: 0
From: Culpeper, VA
Just checked, my Outlaw ultra low profile carbon profile DOT has the "DOT FMVSS No. 218 Certified" on the inside label. I love that helmet even more now! lol
http://www.leatherup.com/p/Outlaw-AX...et/381941.html
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http://www.leatherup.com/p/Outlaw-AX...et/381941.html
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Road Warrior
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,566
Likes: 2
From: Detroit
Safety ***** make me laugh because by their own statistics it shows that you cant safely ride a motorcycle on the same road with cars and yet they do...and then feel like they need to lecture others over a little Styrofoam.
must be getting boring around here lately
For the record DOT does not approve helmets. they only mandate the requirements and let manufacturers self certify. DOT does limited validation audits from units in the market place and if a helmet doesn't pass they make the mfg. do a recall. So basically what you are buying the manufacturer is only claiming that it passes based on third part results from a 17025 accredited laboratory. Thats a one time test...not continual in-process testing batch by batch throughout the year. It only validates design, not process and process variation.
The foam is thick so that the helmet passes the penetration test. The penetrator on the impactor always goes through the shell.
That foam will not attenuate a significant amount of energy to keep the brain from decelerating against the inside of the skull (which will cause the brain damage) It just keeps your skull from splitting open.
At the right speed, right angle and a reasonable amount of energy the helmet will save your life but one half an inch thinner most likely would as well.
must be getting boring around here lately
For the record DOT does not approve helmets. they only mandate the requirements and let manufacturers self certify. DOT does limited validation audits from units in the market place and if a helmet doesn't pass they make the mfg. do a recall. So basically what you are buying the manufacturer is only claiming that it passes based on third part results from a 17025 accredited laboratory. Thats a one time test...not continual in-process testing batch by batch throughout the year. It only validates design, not process and process variation.
The foam is thick so that the helmet passes the penetration test. The penetrator on the impactor always goes through the shell.
That foam will not attenuate a significant amount of energy to keep the brain from decelerating against the inside of the skull (which will cause the brain damage) It just keeps your skull from splitting open.
At the right speed, right angle and a reasonable amount of energy the helmet will save your life but one half an inch thinner most likely would as well.
Elite HDF Member
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 3,908
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From: Dayton
Like I've stated before;
For what it's worth as far as my opinion on DOT v non DOT. I ride in a "made in the USA" Skull Crush helmet made of KEVLAR/CARBON FIBER (instead of the plastic/fiberglass/polycarbonite that DOT helmets are made of) with a moisture resistant memory foam interior, good at dissipating energy instead of transferring it (instead of the styrofoam / terrycloth interior of most DOT helmets).
Now why is it not DOT? simply because of a standardized thickness requirement (needed by the cheap styrofoam inteirors used by most) regardless of construction. The size, specs, and materials are completely different.
For a strap connection, you can choose a Military Spec Quick Disconnect. As with every component of this helmet even the connectors are made of high strength and durability.
I choose to spend my money on a product that is individualy made in the USA to exacting spec with QUALITY materials. Can you say the same about your plastic, assembly line, foreign made DOT? Just something to consider before questioning anothers decision on what they want to wear.
For what it's worth as far as my opinion on DOT v non DOT. I ride in a "made in the USA" Skull Crush helmet made of KEVLAR/CARBON FIBER (instead of the plastic/fiberglass/polycarbonite that DOT helmets are made of) with a moisture resistant memory foam interior, good at dissipating energy instead of transferring it (instead of the styrofoam / terrycloth interior of most DOT helmets).
Now why is it not DOT? simply because of a standardized thickness requirement (needed by the cheap styrofoam inteirors used by most) regardless of construction. The size, specs, and materials are completely different.
For a strap connection, you can choose a Military Spec Quick Disconnect. As with every component of this helmet even the connectors are made of high strength and durability.
I choose to spend my money on a product that is individualy made in the USA to exacting spec with QUALITY materials. Can you say the same about your plastic, assembly line, foreign made DOT? Just something to consider before questioning anothers decision on what they want to wear.
Speaking for myself (mr. Cheapskate), I'm borderline not wearing a helmet at all, so I'm going for a helmet like the low profile Outlaw because it's the smallest DOT on the market so I don't look like a goof ball wearing it and the cops won't bug me. Beats a novelty helmet for protection (and legality) and sure as hell beats nothing at all.
Doesn't hurt that it's very affordable.
Outstanding HDF Member
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,298
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From: BC
Seriously, I don't understand why you spend all your time patrolling helmet threads and lecturing people about non DOT lids - Seriously dude you pop up on every frikin helmet thread I have ever looked at.
Seriously, if you spent the same time you do being annoying on these non DOT helmet threads and use that time to design a DOT helmet that is half as thin as the current DOT ones - you would be contributing something useful
Everyone here that wears a non DOT lid fully understands what they are doing and don't need you "parenting and patrolling" - Seriously
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Joined: Feb 2010
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From: FL
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For the record, the Outlaw has to be ordered 2 sizes too small for you, so the original $69 price was offset by the $13 reship when my first was waaaay too small. End result worth it all tho, after a bit of reshaping.
Here and there I see one of those BIG dudes wearing the beanies, usually tipping the scales at around 270 or so...and I think with their mass and joggling cheek wattles, triple chins and so forth ... they look totally stupid with it.
There's a point where you just don't NEED a yamikah!
